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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 might be forever the Army

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Air Force has announced that applying

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there - found and is now in the

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possession of the army the game is

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rigged change the game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is baked and black with your host

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Jimmy church on the game-changer Radio

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Network and K GRA the Global Radio

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I need your help to get to the year

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to black with Jimmy judge on the game

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change in network

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well well well good evening fade to

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this spoke radio for how you doing how

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are you doing today's Monday March

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eighteenth two thousand nineteen seventy

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as always we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California and I would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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far and near this is fade to black for

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kjc are the game changer network and kg

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are a the planet I am your host Jimmy

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Church what is cracking everybody how

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you doing

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coming off an amazing weekend more on

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that in just a bit but it is Monday and

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we are kicking off another amazing week

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have very special guests with us Russell

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discuss their new documentary it is

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called third eye spies it's absolutely

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amazing it is available on Amazon right

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now and of course iTunes an incredible

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incredible documentary released by the

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orchard and so there you go now we've

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got the links up for third eye spies

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right there Jimmy Church radio calm

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we'll also get it up there in Twitter

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for you to go and check out after the

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show tonight highly recommend this film

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so they will be with us at the bottom of

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the hour tomorrow night rizz Burke is

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here now Riz has a new book out and it

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is called the simulation hypothesis are

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we living in a giant simulation is this

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the matrix R is Burk one of the

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the best out there period when it comes

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to technology and the internet and to

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everything and it is a great book too as

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well it's called the simulation

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hypothesis that is tomorrow night

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Wednesday night JJ and Desiree her talk

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complex that's right

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pyramid complex creating electricity for

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all of Egypt and in gas too as well

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it's a great book and they will be here

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on Wednesday so check that out so

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tonight remote-viewing Russell Targ and

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and Landsman gia with third eye spies

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technology Wednesday night it's ancient

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some crazy breaking news today crazy you

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may not have gotten this but here you go

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MySpace okay you remember myspace one of

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the first online social networks right

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server migration of their data caused a

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loss the message on his website says any

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more than three years ago may be no

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longer available that's right gone lost

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are 50 million tracks by 14 million

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artists unbelievable and just you know

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but it was still a digital archive of

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all of that material from those artists

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who were using that that that server set

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up to archive and to backup their

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material and now it's gone unbelievable

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don't forget to speaking of music the

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meters radio.com or go to su r FR dot F

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M it's all you got to do super easy

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super fun all you have to do is download

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it and start listening

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it's truly that simple you don't give up

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any of your private information you're

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not gonna get an email from surfer

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nothing all you do is download it and

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start streaming and it's all there

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couple of things because I have a

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special guest waiting on the line so

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birthday - today maroon 5 frontman Adam

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ok I had to do it seriously but you know

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what Adam can sing

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that called himself a comedian but was

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seriously not funny well today he is 47

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and the rich is not funny comedian in

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history OTD on this day in history o TD

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1931 the Schick company market the first

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electric razor and your fader fact today

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is there is a seven-year-old boy his

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name is Ryan Wright who started at the

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age of 3 and for reviewing toys on

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YouTube today he is 7 he's been doing it

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since he was a toddler today Ryan earns

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22 million dollars per year and he is

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ranked the highest-paid youtuber in 2018

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mangia are here to discuss the new

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documentary third eye spies tomorrow

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night rizz Burke the simulation

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Jesus industrial complex of course

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on Friday hypocrisy

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in Los Angeles California and Brett

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tatran and I want to thank them for not

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be nicer and and to bring us in and just

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checked at the door I couldn't have had

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more fun all day long and now joining us

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right in the middle of their tour live

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from Las Vegas is their singer and their

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frontman Peter Taggart Peter are you

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wearing your fade to black shirt right

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much thank you so much for not only you

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32 we kind of stretched it that's crazy

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but it's rock and roll it's not the Boy

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for those who can do more than four

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push-ups that's a that's a real torso

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tonight you're in Las Vegas oh where are

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you guys going to be tomorrow night

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between kind of and just hanging in Las

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like yourself except he's from the UK

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really interesting though you haven't

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many years that's crazy how have things

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has the United States changed yeah you

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know in the past you always have to tour

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a lot in America to to keep your status

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or even climbing up you know if you do

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it every nine years it's like almost

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starting all over again every time you

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come back so but so far it's been really

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good and people are happy to see it see

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us that we're back and everything so I

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mean it couldn't get better than this

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now your your audience hypocrisy and

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your interest in UFOs and conspiracies

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and disclosure you have a song called

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disclosure your yeah and of disclosure

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you guys your interest in the subject is

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is very obvious do you think that that

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trickles down into your audience too in

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that are you exposing them to these big

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questions or are they finding you

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because of their interest in this

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um that's a good question I have no clue

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I mean I listen to so many stuff you

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know and and you know it just goes into

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my head and I make my own story of what

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I hear from all all the researchers and

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everything and I kind of pan it out to

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my own story so I take a little bit from

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this person and a little bit from that

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person and and yeah you know I he goes

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into my head and I mix it up somehow and

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try to get my story of the things coming

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out I mean in 96 I did the Roswell 47

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song is probably one of the most famous

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songs we did and that was already done

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in 96 and even then it was the biggest I

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think the case of a you of coat the UFO

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case at that time and I think it still

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is you know that that's never going to

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go away I think you really surprised me

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in that being around you on Friday and

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the amount of fans and your and your

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friends and your bandmates and everybody

275
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knows where your interest is you know

276
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you're the UFO guy and when I'm getting

277
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introduced to people by you and they

278
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hear my voice they immediately turn to

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me and go oh you're the you're the radio

280
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guy and which says to me that you don't

281
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hide this right you know there there's

282
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no intention with you at all you are

283
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fully out aren't you oh yeah you you

284
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heard the new songs that's gonna put me

285
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in a lot of trouble I think the right

286
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right do you do you want to talk do you

287
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want to talk about the new stuff okay

288
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we'll go around the edges

289
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okay can we a little bit not fully

290
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disclose can we talk about the album

291
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cover you know in an outside way

292
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yeah okay okay I'll behave Peter you

293
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don't have to repeat it okay you know I

294
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do I do

295
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okay so concerning the album cover which

296
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is and I love the suspense that we're

297
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about to build the album cover is going

298
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to freak some people out it's directly

299
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without pulling any punches addresses

300
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the UFO situation directly and and ET

301
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and and advanced technologies so dealing

302
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with that and the title of the album

303
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I'll let you say it if you want to but

304
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this is very very open and honest and

305
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it's not playing around about the UFO

306
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subject no no no I mean this is the

307
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funny part you remember last time I was

308
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on the show during that those days I was

309
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down in Venice and yeah just kickin it

310
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and I started thinking about the cover

311
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and I had a napkin so I actually drew

312
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the cover and send it to the record

313
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company said I would love to have it

314
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something like this and now you're and a

315
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half later we got it you know we did we

316
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were not in a hurry then you know we

317
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looked around for some artists and stuff

318
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like that and when he started to happen

319
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I think it really came out the way I

320
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wanted it like I they explained to you

321
00:17:41,910 --> 00:17:39,970
you know we have some ancient alien

322
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feeling to it you know it tried to pull

323
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it from not from today only or from this

324
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century you know we try to go back in

325
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the in the past a little bit like what

326
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happened with the Maya people for

327
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example mmm no one come in and collect

328
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them did where their job done for

329
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example you know did they you know

330
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develop us enough to let us be by

331
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ourselves and try to figure things out

332
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or yeah yeah and and what I find

333
00:18:14,370 --> 00:18:11,650
interesting Peter is that although you

334
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are very open and the videos are very

335
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very direct end of disclosure cannot

336
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have a more direct message in it and you

337
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also did this with pain too as well your

338
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other band but this isn't you guys

339
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weren't

340
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the first successful rock act to openly

341
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talk about UFOs and if you go back and

342
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think about you know the band yes or

343
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sticks or you know well other bands in

344
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the past that even the carpenters wrote

345
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a song about ETS right it's calling all

346
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occupants

347
00:18:54,649 --> 00:18:50,489
they've about David Bowie that is the

348
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most obvious example of this what is it

349
00:19:00,560 --> 00:18:59,009
about musicians and ETS and contact that

350
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is like different from everything else

351
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:02,940
artists or painters or sculptors or

352
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actors why is it that musicians are okay

353
00:19:11,930 --> 00:19:09,239
with it I don't for me is to find

354
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something else than just music 24/7 so

355
00:19:17,629 --> 00:19:14,999
it becomes a hobby to to do research you

356
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know you go out on on YouTube look for

357
00:19:21,139 --> 00:19:19,230
all kinds of stuff you know people

358
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talking about bunch of different stuff

359
00:19:25,460 --> 00:19:23,700
and in the end of the day you take all

360
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these things that all these people have

361
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:26,700
been talking about what they've been

362
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:29,220
researching and what can be true or what

363
00:19:33,889 --> 00:19:30,720
cannot be true and you make your own

364
00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:33,899
decision what you think it is and that's

365
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how it influences me to write lyrics as

366
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well like for example this this song

367
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called chemical horse on the new album

368
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that's going to come out that's a

369
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premiere nobody knows what any song is

370
00:19:49,999 --> 00:19:47,759
called so this is definitely permit for

371
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:50,009
that it's really about the

372
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:53,039
pharmaceutical industry how they you

373
00:19:58,999 --> 00:19:56,210
know make you want to have more

374
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medication and how they go in and

375
00:20:06,499 --> 00:20:02,869
control you I I had the privilege to

376
00:20:09,169 --> 00:20:06,509
listen to chemical [\h__\h] and I'm

377
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:09,179
listening to the words and this is what

378
00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:13,200
the lyrics and I turn to you and I said

379
00:20:19,399 --> 00:20:15,960
you're gonna get in trouble the reason

380
00:20:22,659 --> 00:20:19,409
why I said that is the words are crystal

381
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clear right there is no question about

382
00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:25,440
what you are saying what are you

383
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suggesting

384
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and what this song is about are you are

385
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you prepared for that to have Big

386
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Pharma's the one thing that everybody's

387
00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:37,700
scared of right yeah

388
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:39,649
they can come to Las Vegas right now I'm

389
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here

390
00:20:45,899 --> 00:20:43,399
[Laughter]

391
00:20:48,249 --> 00:20:45,909
are you ready though are you ready

392
00:20:50,829 --> 00:20:48,259
you're never ready for anything you know

393
00:20:52,899 --> 00:20:50,839
let's see what happens I'm curious

394
00:20:54,669 --> 00:20:52,909
I know usually what when you'd make a

395
00:20:56,769 --> 00:20:54,679
big deal out of it then they don't want

396
00:21:00,190 --> 00:20:56,779
to touch it you know yeah that's exactly

397
00:21:02,409 --> 00:21:00,200
the point you know what what what

398
00:21:05,249 --> 00:21:02,419
happened in your life Peter that that

399
00:21:10,389 --> 00:21:05,259
started this interest in not only

400
00:21:12,399 --> 00:21:10,399
ufology but conspiracies and and pushing

401
00:21:14,919 --> 00:21:12,409
the boundaries what what initially

402
00:21:17,649 --> 00:21:14,929
happened I mean from the beginning when

403
00:21:19,649 --> 00:21:17,659
I was a kid like in in the mid-70s and

404
00:21:22,959 --> 00:21:19,659
stuff when you were five six years old

405
00:21:26,289 --> 00:21:22,969
it was mainly you know aliens and UFOs

406
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:26,299
that that was really a cool thing I

407
00:21:29,739 --> 00:21:28,070
remember with my mom and dad we never

408
00:21:31,779 --> 00:21:29,749
really had any money and stuff so we

409
00:21:34,869 --> 00:21:31,789
took the car and we drove we had no

410
00:21:36,909 --> 00:21:34,879
destination we could just drive for for

411
00:21:38,769 --> 00:21:36,919
an hour two or three me and my brother

412
00:21:40,629 --> 00:21:38,779
in the backseat eating ice cream and we

413
00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:40,639
just going nowhere to go and actually

414
00:21:46,029 --> 00:21:42,529
once we came to a place they had a

415
00:21:47,649 --> 00:21:46,039
museum this is like in the mid 70s or I

416
00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:47,659
still remember it and we walked in and

417
00:21:55,149 --> 00:21:52,700
they had a UFO kind of a museum a very

418
00:21:56,949 --> 00:21:55,159
very small one and that really triggered

419
00:21:59,079 --> 00:21:56,959
me because that done it was like more

420
00:22:00,969 --> 00:21:59,089
pictures of things and drawings and

421
00:22:03,459 --> 00:22:00,979
stuff that you never seen before and I

422
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:03,469
was like wow and that really triggered

423
00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:05,690
me as well to keep on going with that

424
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,609
and of course movies and stuff like that

425
00:22:15,209 --> 00:22:12,320
really started to bubble in your head

426
00:22:16,989 --> 00:22:15,219
and and the older I got the more

427
00:22:20,199 --> 00:22:16,999
documentaries you could get you could

428
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:20,209
order VHS tapes with the would stuff

429
00:22:26,229 --> 00:22:24,440
from from like papers in Sweden like on

430
00:22:27,639 --> 00:22:26,239
mail order kind of stuff people were

431
00:22:30,009 --> 00:22:27,649
standing so you were kind of trading

432
00:22:33,549 --> 00:22:30,019
like with a metal music you were trading

433
00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:33,559
tapes in in in the 70s 80s and and so on

434
00:22:37,209 --> 00:22:35,089
you know we were doing like

435
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:37,219
documentaries on TVs that you can get in

436
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:38,450
Sweden and stuff like that and that

437
00:22:45,819 --> 00:22:43,940
triggered you even more in the we were

438
00:22:49,479 --> 00:22:45,829
sitting in a coffee shop you and I on

439
00:22:50,260 --> 00:22:49,489
Friday and the the ba sisters who are

440
00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:50,270
probably

441
00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:53,390
right now so big shout out to them they

442
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:55,550
come up to say hello and and Melissa

443
00:23:00,730 --> 00:22:58,880
goes oh and I got you a gift and and I

444
00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:00,740
was you know and I was thinking it's you

445
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:03,140
know her new CD or it's theirs and she

446
00:23:10,419 --> 00:23:06,770
whips out a little a little alien little

447
00:23:13,780 --> 00:23:10,429
I don't even now describe it but jelly

448
00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:13,790
alias yeah that lights up when you touch

449
00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:15,740
it totally cool I got some pictures of

450
00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:19,580
it I'll I'll post them but that's an

451
00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:23,000
example of everybody knows exactly where

452
00:23:28,930 --> 00:23:25,700
you are coming from don't they oh yeah

453
00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:28,940
definitely I have a lot of aliens at

454
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:31,160
home that I guess from fans anything

455
00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:36,170
from being two inches high - yes six

456
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:43,190
feet high you know and I want to say

457
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:46,550
this really quick because I I have told

458
00:23:51,610 --> 00:23:48,110
a few people about what went down on

459
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:51,620
Friday but I haven't been to a rock and

460
00:23:57,490 --> 00:23:53,929
roll show in a while where I was able to

461
00:24:01,980 --> 00:23:57,500
just you know go start to finish but I

462
00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:01,990
was able to because of you and just the

463
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,790
circumstances of the day it wasn't

464
00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:07,760
anything that was planned but I ended up

465
00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:12,340
being a roadie I was I was a guitar tech

466
00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:16,190
I was a photographer I was a

467
00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:19,100
videographer I even did a little

468
00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:22,900
security it was it was something that

469
00:24:30,730 --> 00:24:27,260
for myself and for Brett to be able to

470
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:30,740
get the full experience of what rock and

471
00:24:36,490 --> 00:24:33,710
roll is all about was because of you and

472
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:36,500
just thank you so much it was it was

473
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:46,490
totally cool now everybody trying to be

474
00:24:50,290 --> 00:24:48,050
cool and have both feet on the ground

475
00:24:52,510 --> 00:24:50,300
always by the way we have to smack

476
00:24:55,030 --> 00:24:52,520
people around you know that's our rule

477
00:24:56,770 --> 00:24:55,040
it was it was so much fun and I want to

478
00:24:59,549 --> 00:24:56,780
I want to talk about everybody in your

479
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,559
band really quick before we go

480
00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:02,559
I cannot believe and I'm being serious

481
00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:05,260
we've all done the rock and roll thing

482
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:08,169
okay and we always know there's always a

483
00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:12,490
bad apple you your band everybody in the

484
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:14,529
band unless I'm completely wrong here

485
00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:18,730
are absolutely grounded and cool is that

486
00:25:25,620 --> 00:25:21,700
a requirement for hypocrisy I'm big

487
00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:25,630
serious - that's a I think you know the

488
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:29,230
older you get the you know you choose

489
00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:33,100
your surrounding kind of you know so I

490
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:35,230
guess you the older you get you form

491
00:25:40,019 --> 00:25:37,450
your life with people you want to be

492
00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:40,029
around and work with them and and so on

493
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:43,000
when you're younger you just grab anyone

494
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:44,590
and then you find out later that they're

495
00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:47,730
not so cool right so I mean you know the

496
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:50,230
older you get the more delicate it gets

497
00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:51,580
you know to have someone that has

498
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:55,990
something inside his head to work with

499
00:26:00,210 --> 00:25:57,460
because you're gonna be trapped in a bus

500
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:00,220
for a month maybe sometimes two months

501
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:03,130
right and then you really have to yeah

502
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:05,860
the kind of chemistry has to work out of

503
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:08,820
like it's a nightmare and how are the

504
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:11,529
audiences different here in the United

505
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,279
States from say doing some of the giant

506
00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:17,679
festivals over in Europe and we're

507
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:19,720
obviously you're from Sweden so you have

508
00:26:27,139 --> 00:26:23,110
a your local fan base there too as well

509
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:27,149
how are the audience is different I

510
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:29,880
don't know I mean I was looking out

511
00:26:36,509 --> 00:26:34,000
because we did some shows in November in

512
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,519
Europe and you look out at them and then

513
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:38,799
you look at this and it's pretty close

514
00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:40,510
you know they're that are hungry we

515
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:42,669
haven't been out in Europe for a long

516
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:44,950
time either so people are really hungry

517
00:26:50,879 --> 00:26:48,820
to get to get a to be a part of it you

518
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:50,889
know of course which is really great it

519
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,350
helps you your confidence when you write

520
00:26:59,850 --> 00:26:56,080
music you know if you're on the bottom

521
00:27:01,649 --> 00:26:59,860
of of your self-confidence and it's

522
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:01,659
really hard to get up you know think be

523
00:27:05,730 --> 00:27:03,610
inspired to write music or lyrics and

524
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:05,740
stuff but if you always get Pat's on the

525
00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:07,450
back and stuff it really boosts you to

526
00:27:13,419 --> 00:27:10,580
to start writing you

527
00:27:15,940 --> 00:27:13,429
or and you know get into things and yeah

528
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:15,950
just plainly getting inspired you know

529
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,890
okay Peter here's the question before I

530
00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:21,200
let you go I you know I'm going to ask

531
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:24,470
this when is the new album coming out I

532
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:26,690
know it's half done all the music is

533
00:27:31,299 --> 00:27:29,330
done there's still some things that have

534
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:31,309
to be finished but you've got a lot of

535
00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:34,250
fans out there man when can we expect

536
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:37,340
this I would say October November I

537
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:40,190
would say like one song at least end of

538
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:42,110
September is coming out with a video

539
00:27:49,389 --> 00:27:45,710
like a pre thing that I could really

540
00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:49,399
pretty much promise you so there will be

541
00:27:56,769 --> 00:27:51,500
a song out one month before the album

542
00:27:58,330 --> 00:27:56,779
comes out you know and yeah they need

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four months after I'm done with the

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album they need four months to prevent

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and prepare it the record company

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because they want to do a good job and

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stuff so they want to have plenty of

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times with everything but now when we

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were here we were doing photo shoots we

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did video and so we're a lot of that I

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had because usually after you're done

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with the album then you start doing the

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photos and videos and covers and you

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name it but now we're doing a little bit

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backwards which feels good and it makes

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you less stressed when you get home and

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they only have to concentrate on lyrics

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and stuff like that so let's see what

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kind of alerts is gonna be I'm gonna be

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pushing a lot of fingers in a lot of

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people's eyes so I'm going kamikaze on

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this album it's a gauzy well I can

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assure all the fans out there that I've

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listened to three or four tracks I think

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four tracks from you from the new record

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and the it's an evolution it's not a

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revolution it's an evolution of of your

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songwriting and you have taken it to

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another level the vocals have never been

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better

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but the lushness and the completeness of

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everything is going to blow people's

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minds and you've certainly taken your

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skills to another level Peter so

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congratulation thank you thank you

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I know it's always hard to know I mean

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we have to follow our hearts but the

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more we listen to the album now when

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it's complete it sounds like kind of a

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best of hypocrisy but new I mean Peter

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I'm now taking away from your night on

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the Las Vegas Strip so go out with the

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guys have a great time tell everybody I

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said hello good luck on the tour and and

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when you get to Salt Lake

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don't don't forget you got to say good

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evening Salt Lake you just got to do

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that okay all right save time later

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all right fader fader friend hope to see

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some of you out there you know we just

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started so hopefully we're in town near

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you thank you so much Peter now go have

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Hey thank you go ahead Peter tacker

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it's called Jesus industrial complex but

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tonight it's Russell Targ Russell is a

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physicists author ESP researcher and

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laser pioneer at the Stanford Research

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Institute in the 70s and 80s target his

702
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colleagues founded a 23 year twenty five

703
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million dollar research program into

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psychic abilities and their operational

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use for the US intelligence community

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including the CIA and the Defense

707
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Intelligence Agency these abilities are

708
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referred collectively as remote viewing

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the new film is called third eye spies

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and I would like to welcome back to fade

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to black Russell Targ Russell good

712
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evening sir how are you happy to be with

713
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you now

714
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:34,589
I'm sorry so I just cut you off at the

715
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front of the conversation I'm sorry

716
00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:37,069
about that

717
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:39,780
story we're talking about the true story

718
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:43,140
of CIA psychic spying where we trained

719
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,750
ordinary people how to get in touch with

720
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,000
the psychic ability and they could look

721
00:36:53,059 --> 00:36:50,880
into Russia look into China find our

722
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hostages and do all sorts of amazing

723
00:36:59,420 --> 00:36:56,160
things for two decades it's a it's an

724
00:37:01,339 --> 00:36:59,430
incredible documentary and I'm gonna get

725
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:01,349
into that in just a bit I did want to

726
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:04,380
ask you this because in in the film

727
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which since you were on the show with us

728
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:08,910
last time which was almost two years ago

729
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:12,630
at the start of the film the and I've

730
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watched clips but now when I watch

731
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:17,280
there's one thing that stands out for me

732
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:20,940
was that in the beginning for you in 71

733
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,780
70 71 72 at the beginning of this it was

734
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:27,480
it seemed a bit more innocent for you

735
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:29,700
you didn't know about the future yet

736
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:31,980
right what what was about to happen to

737
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:34,640
you guys were you looking at it

738
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:38,110
you know ESP and some of the new-age

739
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:41,090
subjects that were rolling around in the

740
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:44,690
early 70s was it more fun and an

741
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:48,800
interest of exploring the unknown well I

742
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had a lifetime of fun and interest

743
00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:52,220
exploring the unknown

744
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I built an ESP teaching machine they're

745
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still available on the Internet is

746
00:38:03,430 --> 00:37:59,720
called ESP trainer right that's a

747
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no-cost device we used in our program

748
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but I had many years before SR I when I

749
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was interested in psychic ability in

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1972 I went to the CIA yeah I had done

751
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laser work for the CIA in the earlier

752
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days so in 72 I decided that I was going

753
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to change my course and move from laser

754
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research and set up the ESP lab I had

755
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:29,840
always dreamt of so I went to the e2 CIA

756
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:32,600
and said I think that I know how to

757
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,560
train your people as the CIA to look

758
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into the distance and find out what the

759
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Russians are doing and we can

760
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demonstrate that would you be interested

761
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:45,440
jujin I had not an idea that they'd

762
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:48,260
probably be interested oh you did okay

763
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and what would I find really amazing and

764
00:39:01,450 --> 00:38:58,430
this is not a joke is that the the world

765
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powers now because the CIA did get

766
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involved in the military-industrial

767
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:06,340
complex the Defense Intelligence Agency

768
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:10,880
suddenly everybody is involved now we've

769
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got you know state actors and world

770
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:16,400
players and very serious things going

771
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:19,610
down did you get scared you know did you

772
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:24,170
get nervous no I I was I've had a

773
00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:27,890
lifetime interest in this and but what

774
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:30,590
makes this film unique is that we have

775
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:33,770
the CIA on camera we have kids green

776
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:36,590
who's the well-known physician and Ken

777
00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:40,280
kress who's a physicist so we have these

778
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:44,120
two senior CIA guys on camera saying if

779
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:47,000
we were polygraphed we saw what Clark

780
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:47,740
did

781
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:50,590
it's really true we saw them we saw this

782
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:54,850
happen so these two graybeard scientists

783
00:39:59,609 --> 00:39:57,190
give us the kind of gravitas that we'd

784
00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:59,619
not have if I was just standing up and

785
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:01,480
described some amazing things that have

786
00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:03,910
in the laboratory this see it's amazing

787
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:07,180
that I got the CIA on camera to give me

788
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:09,070
a testimonial that they were there and

789
00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:14,680
it happened and the very early on and

790
00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:17,380
what I mean by that is in you know the

791
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:19,540
the program kicked off with you and how

792
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:23,650
put off in 72 Ingo Swan you guys are

793
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:26,530
starting to show things in an amazing

794
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,330
yourselves too as well that was the

795
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:30,880
other thing where this was getting

796
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:33,760
pretty solid but then Pat the the

797
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:37,150
situation with Pat price surfaces and he

798
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:42,250
he leaves and joins the CIA reveals some

799
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:44,350
pretty incredible stuff when you and I

800
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:45,700
have talked about that before we don't

801
00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:47,950
need to get into that but he he does

802
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:50,740
some pretty serious exposure and then

803
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:54,760
four months later Pat price dies does

804
00:40:59,220 --> 00:40:56,530
that start to show you and everybody

805
00:41:01,740 --> 00:40:59,230
else about how how serious this

806
00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:01,750
situation was getting for you guys that

807
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:03,580
definitely got my attention I got

808
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:05,980
worried at that point see I knew about

809
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:08,950
ESP for a lifetime path price was

810
00:41:13,290 --> 00:41:10,690
functioning at a level that I had never

811
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,300
imagined it never occurred to me that I

812
00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:16,000
could bring his consciousness into the

813
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:18,430
vault of the national security agency

814
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:20,770
and read the top secret names of

815
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:24,010
programs that's beyond what I or anybody

816
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:27,010
else had ever seen so price was really

817
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:30,250
in a category by himself able to read

818
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:34,150
things in a top-secret location and what

819
00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:36,609
happened is that after a debt after a

820
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,100
year the CIA got worried about twice

821
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:43,359
hanging out with these hippies in

822
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:46,990
California CIA was very worried that I

823
00:41:51,810 --> 00:41:50,650
was too much of an enthusiast to be

824
00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:51,820
working with the world's greatest

825
00:41:57,390 --> 00:41:55,180
psychic what they felt as the place

826
00:41:58,860 --> 00:41:57,400
could read anything place could read the

827
00:42:00,990 --> 00:41:58,870
nuclear launch

828
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:01,000
codes in the pocket of the president in

829
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:03,910
store the world war and here he's

830
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:07,300
hanging out with target put off at Fri

831
00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:11,530
having too good a time so place really

832
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,380
scared them because of his omniscience

833
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:16,720
and they wanted to take him out of

834
00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:19,990
California and have him under their

835
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:22,740
control in Virginia and after they did

836
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:29,650
did did they okay did they did they put

837
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:34,090
pressure on you guys in that you you can

838
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:39,760
now look back with with hindsight were

839
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:41,730
they putting pressure on you guys that

840
00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:43,930
was starting to freak you out a little

841
00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:46,300
bit where they wanted to use this for

842
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:50,080
some pretty crazy reasons all I would

843
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:54,070
say they knew we were scientists first

844
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:56,320
of all so half of our time we're doing

845
00:43:01,140 --> 00:42:58,450
research and were actually able to

846
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:01,150
publish in nature magazine and the

847
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:02,850
Proceedings of the Engineering Society

848
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:06,010
we couldn't publish the fact that we're

849
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:07,770
sparring on the Russians or the Chinese

850
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:12,010
but we could publish our data about

851
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:14,070
psychic hide-and-seek in the Bay Area

852
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:17,350
where somebody would hide and twice her

853
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:19,630
to say where they were so we could talk

854
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:22,510
about that stuff and publish that but

855
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:25,810
what they got more and more pressure is

856
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:28,870
that no more publishing of anything this

857
00:43:33,930 --> 00:43:31,270
is an operational program don't you get

858
00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:33,940
that and I eventually got it left

859
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:37,900
because of all the the our in-house

860
00:43:46,050 --> 00:43:42,250
monitor I asked him just think of the

861
00:43:47,820 --> 00:43:46,060
possibilities I wanted to we're seeing a

862
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:47,830
lot of precognition we're seeing the

863
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:50,470
people could be targeted on what's going

864
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:51,610
to happen in the future

865
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:53,740
mm-hm and they could do that just as

866
00:43:59,220 --> 00:43:56,890
well as contemporaneous viewing and as a

867
00:44:01,320 --> 00:43:59,230
physicist that was very exciting to me

868
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,330
because it's absolutely the probably the

869
00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:03,280
most important thing I can tell you is

870
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:05,980
for a psychic is just as easy to

871
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:08,770
describe what's happening next week is

872
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:10,810
to happen is what's happening right now

873
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:12,170
no

874
00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:15,470
look in the future and that's new

875
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:18,140
physics that's really quite amazing and

876
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:20,750
I wanted our contract monitors there

877
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:22,760
what can't just think about that he said

878
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:24,049
I'm not paid to think

879
00:44:28,839 --> 00:44:26,540
I'm paid to find out what the Defense

880
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:28,849
Intelligence Agency wants and to make

881
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:31,609
sure that you do that why this was my

882
00:44:36,099 --> 00:44:34,190
time to leave when my manager said I'm

883
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:36,109
not paid to think I realized it's time

884
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:38,510
to leave that's that's pretty scary to

885
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:41,420
me right there did you guys have the

886
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:45,260
ability to suggest what this research

887
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,130
could and could not be used for we were

888
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:54,319
never asked to do any nasty things I

889
00:45:01,780 --> 00:44:58,490
know the CIA has done a lot of nasty

890
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:01,790
things we were not part of MKULTRA when

891
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:04,460
we first joined the CIA we were

892
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:07,670
introduced to CID got Lieb who was the

893
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:10,970
manager of MKULTRA so we went in his

894
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:13,640
basement library and chatted with him

895
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,890
and he was very intelligent

896
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,079
amiable guy even though he's a murderer

897
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:21,680
right I suppose Josef Mengele probably

898
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:23,960
played Mozart in the afternoon while

899
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:27,230
before he killed the Jews anyway stick

900
00:45:33,819 --> 00:45:29,260
out Lee was in charge of a nasty

901
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:33,829
terrible program but his only Oscar

902
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:36,410
guested to me was that he thought it

903
00:45:42,099 --> 00:45:38,329
would work better if I gave our viewers

904
00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:42,109
LSD and I was of course familiar with

905
00:45:48,490 --> 00:45:45,319
LSD because the seven days and I was

906
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,500
aware that our viewers needed to have

907
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:51,440
their conscious abilities at hand you

908
00:45:56,140 --> 00:45:53,630
care you're not just looking at pictures

909
00:45:58,510 --> 00:45:56,150
when you're doing remote viewing you

910
00:46:01,240 --> 00:45:58,520
have to be able to separate the noise

911
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:01,250
the mental chatter from the psychic

912
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,770
signal on that's a intelligent

913
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:06,319
analytical tasks and if you're high on

914
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:09,410
acid you'll see lots of pictures but you

915
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:11,960
will not be able or be very interested

916
00:46:16,539 --> 00:46:14,089
in separating the signal from the noise

917
00:46:19,569 --> 00:46:16,549
and he understood that he said okay just

918
00:46:21,549 --> 00:46:19,579
just an idea just an idea I have a lot

919
00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:21,559
of experience with a lot of steel I know

920
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:24,230
you have but that's not going to work in

921
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:26,750
this application

922
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:29,220
that's this list as close to the dark

923
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,220
side as they ever came we know I think

924
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:35,520
today I think that we understand that

925
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:37,860
remote viewing not only is real but

926
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:41,460
there are applications to it and if you

927
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:44,520
are trained correctly just about anybody

928
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:48,060
could - could develop the skills to be a

929
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:50,910
remote viewer but the question on

930
00:47:02,330 --> 00:46:54,630
everybody's mind is the CIA still active

931
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:02,340
in this program well in the film gets

932
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:05,610
green who's our super contract monitor

933
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:08,190
on camera says that they're still doing

934
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:12,810
it as smaller scale he talks about

935
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:14,280
things like his Nova

936
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:17,850
I trained two CIA operatives who came to

937
00:47:22,850 --> 00:47:20,610
visit us and they were very skillful

938
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:22,860
excellent remote viewers and with KITT

939
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:29,040
explained to us is that after half price

940
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,520
left us he was working at the CIA where

941
00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:34,920
the two people whom I trained so that

942
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:37,350
was new and so we have all sorts of new

943
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,380
things in the film this is one of them I

944
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:42,900
wanted to make this film crew die spies

945
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:46,050
so the material got our time so that it

946
00:47:52,610 --> 00:47:49,460
didn't get buried after I died poor guy

947
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,620
again classified had been top-secret so

948
00:47:57,350 --> 00:47:54,720
I was I was able to get a Declassified

949
00:48:00,200 --> 00:47:57,360
and I wanted to get it out so the people

950
00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:00,210
would understand that this remote

951
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,000
viewing ability is available to ordinary

952
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:05,280
people you're not all going to be pass

953
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,220
price or in goes wrong but you can find

954
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:11,040
your car keys you can invest in the

955
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:13,950
stock market and you can learn more

956
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:16,200
about who you might be that you have

957
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:19,170
this non-local ability to look into the

958
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:21,720
distance and look into the future so I

959
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:24,770
was highly motivated to make this film

960
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:28,260
when Lance of I started five years ago

961
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:32,190
are you happy with the film I'm very

962
00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:35,400
happy with the film that Lance is a very

963
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,350
gifted filmmaker I saw his

964
00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:41,200
previous film six string samurai which

965
00:48:47,610 --> 00:48:44,500
is a very artistic impressionistic film

966
00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:47,620
and I just loved it there's a third

967
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,600
party sent me to go look at this film

968
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,000
and I was sold when his cold lands I

969
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:54,400
said I loved your film you will make the

970
00:49:01,200 --> 00:48:58,720
perfect film displaying this all and he

971
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:01,210
said strongly away from the talking

972
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:05,260
heads this is a the film is a experience

973
00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:08,710
it's like part of the avant-garde where

974
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:11,560
it kicks you in the gut it drags you

975
00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:14,230
along so you're really experiencing what

976
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,360
these people experienced as they look

977
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,160
into the future and have psychic

978
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:20,800
experiences I think he I think meth did

979
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:23,530
an exceptionally good job I agree with

980
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:25,750
you the film could almost be part of

981
00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:27,130
school curriculum

982
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:29,080
you know it's laid out that way it's

983
00:49:35,090 --> 00:49:32,680
it's it's educational it's an incredible

984
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:35,100
piece of work I wanted to ask you about

985
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:40,690
Ingo Swann and Ingo in the film I'd

986
00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:43,720
never met Ingo okay I I've never had

987
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:47,350
that opportunity but in the film he's

988
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:50,980
got he's got talent and he knows this

989
00:49:58,770 --> 00:49:55,980
and it comes off a bit strong

990
00:50:00,840 --> 00:49:58,780
was that the way that he was he that

991
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:00,850
confident in his abilities the way it's

992
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:05,410
portrayed in the documentary Ingo Swann

993
00:50:10,170 --> 00:50:07,450
invented remote viewing in the modern

994
00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:10,180
era he taught us how to do remote

995
00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:12,460
viewing and what to do that you should

996
00:50:16,020 --> 00:50:14,200
not have any been looking at pictures an

997
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:16,030
envelope if I want to know what's in the

998
00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:18,700
envelope are now openness if you don't I

999
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,980
can focus my attention anywhere on the

1000
00:50:26,250 --> 00:50:23,440
planet if you don't give me something

1001
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,260
worth doing I'm going home and shortly

1002
00:50:32,250 --> 00:50:29,200
after that NASA came along NASA was

1003
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:32,260
supported by ESP teaching machine as Fri

1004
00:50:38,850 --> 00:50:36,310
and NASA was in my office one to turn to

1005
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:38,860
Ingo and said we're about to launch the

1006
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:42,970
Pioneer spacecraft to Jupiter and go can

1007
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:44,830
you tell us anything we're flying there

1008
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,710
that's a surprise he goes there's a big

1009
00:50:52,469 --> 00:50:49,359
pump one of cigar

1010
00:50:54,809 --> 00:50:52,479
well yeah now that you mention it I see

1011
00:50:57,769 --> 00:50:54,819
that there's a big fat ring of ice

1012
00:51:00,719 --> 00:50:57,779
crystals all the way around Jupiter and

1013
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:00,729
the contract bonnet is their amiable

1014
00:51:05,009 --> 00:51:03,369
threat friends of mine said dingo you're

1015
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:05,019
thinking of Saturn aren't you

1016
00:51:09,569 --> 00:51:07,690
Saturn is the one with the Rings and he

1017
00:51:11,339 --> 00:51:09,579
gave my friend a contemptuous look he

1018
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:11,349
said Lissa I've been looking at those

1019
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:13,390
little assists of my entire life

1020
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:16,150
I don't confuse Jupiter or Saturn I'm

1021
00:51:19,219 --> 00:51:17,529
telling you that you're going to find

1022
00:51:22,109 --> 00:51:19,229
something that nobody's ever seen before

1023
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:22,119
and eight months later after the plane

1024
00:51:27,989 --> 00:51:25,180
your spacecraft circled Jupiter they

1025
00:51:30,089 --> 00:51:27,999
sent us pictures very much like wedding

1026
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:30,099
Gore has and we show the NASA

1027
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:33,369
photographs and Ning goes drawing in the

1028
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:35,950
film it's an incredible moment in the

1029
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,190
film it's and when everybody watches it

1030
00:51:44,489 --> 00:51:41,680
and the build-up to that because up to

1031
00:51:46,529 --> 00:51:44,499
that point we only had what we had from

1032
00:51:49,739 --> 00:51:46,539
Jupiter and one of those things that we

1033
00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:49,749
didn't have were rings it's really it's

1034
00:51:58,349 --> 00:51:55,660
it's that's it's that fundamental five

1035
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,359
hundred million miles away and what

1036
00:52:04,109 --> 00:52:00,640
people don't realize as he did that with

1037
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:04,119
no time so you see radio waves or light

1038
00:52:09,569 --> 00:52:06,249
waves take an hour to get to earth from

1039
00:52:13,380 --> 00:52:09,579
earth to Jupiter when Ingo Swann focuses

1040
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:13,390
attention on Jupiter is instantaneous so

1041
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:15,430
the Buddhists say there's no separation

1042
00:52:23,180 --> 00:52:20,049
and in the model we have for the complex

1043
00:52:26,059 --> 00:52:23,190
space-time we live in the breeze that

1044
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:26,069
remote viewing works so well is

1045
00:52:32,459 --> 00:52:28,930
independent of distance no harder to

1046
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:32,469
describe Soviets Liberia than it is to

1047
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,619
look across the street Palo Alto

1048
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:37,599
increasing the distance makes absolutely

1049
00:52:43,439 --> 00:52:40,209
no dis difference and that's now been

1050
00:52:45,709 --> 00:52:43,449
proven in many laboratories so the

1051
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:45,719
reason you can describe Jupiter or

1052
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:48,430
Siberia or Japan or China or whatever

1053
00:52:53,309 --> 00:52:50,650
you want to do is that for consciousness

1054
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:53,319
there's no separation so one of the

1055
00:52:57,509 --> 00:52:54,910
reason you'd like to study this and

1056
00:53:00,420 --> 00:52:57,519
perhaps see the film is that you get in

1057
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:00,430
touch with your non-local awareness your

1058
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:01,810
timeless awareness

1059
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:03,640
but the Buddhists say that we all are

1060
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:07,210
made basically of timeless awareness

1061
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:10,960
rather than meat and potatoes and if you

1062
00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:13,510
serve learning remote viewing you get in

1063
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:15,820
touch with that part of yourself that is

1064
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:18,460
timeless that can move out into space

1065
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:21,250
and time it's not just for Ingo and half

1066
00:53:26,130 --> 00:53:23,890
price is for anyone who wants to develop

1067
00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:26,140
the ability once you guys started to

1068
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:27,940
figure this out especially after the

1069
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:32,710
Jupiter viewing did you guys also look

1070
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,630
off planet did you try to reach out to

1071
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:36,880
maybe et or see if there was life on

1072
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:37,330
Mars

1073
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:41,790
oh people have done that by themselves I

1074
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:45,040
taught six army guys how to do remote

1075
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:47,890
viewing because the army got embarrassed

1076
00:53:55,410 --> 00:53:51,730
to always have to come to Fri to find a

1077
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,420
submarine or kidnap general or something

1078
00:54:00,030 --> 00:53:57,760
we wanted to learn to do it so I taught

1079
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:00,040
six army people how to do remote viewing

1080
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,890
one of those was Joe McMahon a girl who

1081
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is still alive it is a world class

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remote viewer up there with half price

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and Ingo Swann so Joe was a unique

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outstanding person and many of the

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people at his place at Fort Meade in

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addition to tracking Russians we're

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interested looking off the planet

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looking at the moon and they were

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targeted by our dia to look and see

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what's on the other side of the Moon or

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people building the stuff there are the

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UFO bases on the planet and that there

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was not Fri I'm sort of a

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unreconstructed physicist I didn't not

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interested where I'm interested in UFOs

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but not on a programmatic level a

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programmatic level I wanted to do

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experiments where we would actually get

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feedback if we're describing something

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if the guy does it right I want to know

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that if he doesn't wrong I want to know

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that also telling me about the dark side

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of the Moon is sort of out of scope and

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it doesn't have any payoff if if Ingo

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writes the book and said I've looked at

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the other side of the Moon and the whole

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real complex there but you're never

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going to know about it

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that's not rewarding to me would it

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would it surprise you if Ingo did come

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at you with some information like that

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well he did he wrote he wrote a book

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about called penetrations where he said

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in his in his book which he claims is a

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nonfiction account of an experience

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where he talks about a CIA coming to him

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and say we want you to describe what's

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on the other side of the Moon and Ingo

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goes through a remote viewing protocol

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and has all sorts of hardware on the

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other side of the Moon and as a long

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description in this book penetration

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which people find very exciting and I

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think it's very interesting I are my

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lifelong playing the fiction reader and

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I have no way of telling whether what

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Ingo said is true or not but like we

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have enough miracles in the program that

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we found a kidnapped American general

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and we were able to pinpoint the name of

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the person who kidnapped Patricia Hearst

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psychic policemen went to the police

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station and put his finger on the

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photograph in a huge bug book and said

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that guy Donald ariz he is a kidnapper

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in Boise with April she was Darice out

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of hundreds and hundreds of other people

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he could have chose them so I've seen a

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lot of miracles but I like the miracles

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where we get feedback word turns out

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that two weeks later we discovered the

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kidnapper is Donald Ariza and we can say

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well done path that's terrific as

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another miracle chalked up another thing

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that we can chalk up for human

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capabilities well so I want to thank you

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for taking the time for coming on with

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us tonight the film is extraordinary and

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I just got to thank you right now not

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only for myself personally but our

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community in the world for all digital

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channels digital platforms you can

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download it from anyplace thank you so

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much Russell and

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enjoy the rest of your evening sir thank

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you so much thank you very much for the

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opportunity Russell Targ the film is

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third-eye spies and when we come back

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after this break

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Lance Mangia is going to be here he is

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the director of a third eye spies

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this is fade to black I'm your host

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Jimmy church for the great night we have

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tonight for all of you I'll be right

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welcome back fade to black I am your

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Jimmy Church radio.com third eye spies

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is the new documentary feature film by

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award-winning director Lance mangia it

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chronicles the lifelong journey of

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physicist Russell Targ and co-founder of

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the Sanford Research Institute CIA

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supported ESP research program targ's

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quest has been to reveal to the world

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the reality of ESP and the fact that

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every intelligence agency of the United

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States government has used a sigh or

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what came to be known as remote viewing

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operationally for intelligence gathering

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against Soviets and others this 23 year

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old program has oversight at every high

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level the film is third eye spies third

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eye spies calm I would like to welcome

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back to fade to black our good friend

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Lancer mangia Lambie

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Jimmy man Thank You Man Man Man Man what

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a film

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okay now look lance there's no question

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you've been on the show before talking

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about this when things were just

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starting to come together it's been a

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long road the film is now out and

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released I have to ask you directly as

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the director are you happy and I'm very

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happy you know I'm very happy and I'm

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very relieved that third eye spies is

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now able to be seen you know we were not

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taken out by some shady agency in the

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making you know no one's shut it up we

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it is out in the world man it's really

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out and that and that is actually very

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exciting that that I get to share sort

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of something that I was working on in a

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lot of isolation for a long time with

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your listeners and and when with the

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world in general I mean I think that

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this film is real

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you know change a lot of people's mind

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about ESP in general you know really

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just sort of upset the applecart of what

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we think of when we think of science and

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and I'm really honored to have been a

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part of it actually we we have to two

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things that are going on here one with

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with pop culture and the men who stare

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at goats right and you have that take

1346
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:19,109
that the public is exposed to and then

1347
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:21,540
you have something like this that comes

1348
01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:23,730
along you know third eye spies which is

1349
01:06:29,420 --> 01:06:26,280
a very serious documentary where the

1350
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:29,430
public now is forced to step back and

1351
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:33,450
we're you know goats was something that

1352
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:36,660
was almost a comedy right it was almost

1353
01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:39,570
maybe definitely yeah right right and

1354
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:41,849
where they probably didn't take it that

1355
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:45,750
serious or that the government didn't

1356
01:06:51,290 --> 01:06:48,240
take it that serious or that it wasn't

1357
01:06:54,170 --> 01:06:51,300
successful and then this comes out and

1358
01:06:58,070 --> 01:06:54,180
the public now has to take a step back

1359
01:07:02,030 --> 01:06:58,080
and go this is a real program with real

1360
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:02,040
results and it was very dangerous and

1361
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,339
things were in play this is not a joke

1362
01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:07,200
and that's you know you know what I mean

1363
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:08,580
you've got two different things that the

1364
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:11,250
public has to deal with yeah man I mean

1365
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:12,660
absolutely I mean and and that was

1366
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:14,520
really the thing that hit me the first

1367
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:16,440
time that I sat down with Russell Targ

1368
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,599
and and spread out a bunch of

1369
01:07:22,370 --> 01:07:20,640
photographs and you know and target

1370
01:07:24,530 --> 01:07:22,380
drawings of remote viewing is on my on

1371
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,540
my living room table and I'm looking at

1372
01:07:27,530 --> 01:07:26,160
this stuff and that's exactly the

1373
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:27,540
thought that I had in my mind this is

1374
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:29,790
not a joke you know this is not a joke

1375
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:32,520
this is actually this is real and and

1376
01:07:36,829 --> 01:07:34,980
when I had that realization you know

1377
01:07:38,900 --> 01:07:36,839
there was so many as such a mix of

1378
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:38,910
emotions there because I thought first

1379
01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:40,410
my first thought was okay

1380
01:07:45,260 --> 01:07:42,540
am I being tricked I mean am I on camera

1381
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:45,270
I mean what is this a you know is this

1382
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:46,890
really real then you realize yeah it is

1383
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:49,170
and then your next thought is you know

1384
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:51,030
am I even gonna be able to make this

1385
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:52,980
film is someone gonna even allow this

1386
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:55,530
film to be made I mean we seriously had

1387
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:57,630
that conversation the first time we met

1388
01:08:00,859 --> 01:07:59,010
you know it was something that we did

1389
01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:00,869
not know if the government was still

1390
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:03,180
doing this in some dark room in some

1391
01:08:05,809 --> 01:08:04,170
classified chamber

1392
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:05,819
somewhere that you know they may not

1393
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:09,599
like us talking about this and and I had

1394
01:08:15,620 --> 01:08:13,380
no idea the extent of what had been done

1395
01:08:18,019 --> 01:08:15,630
and and I understood that the only way

1396
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:18,029
that this project was gonna stick and

1397
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:19,739
where it would actually get made and

1398
01:08:25,070 --> 01:08:22,199
people would see it is if we really took

1399
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:25,080
the collective weight of what all these

1400
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:26,850
different people had done over a twenty

1401
01:08:30,919 --> 01:08:29,279
year period and and we and we compiled

1402
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,929
that into something with all of the

1403
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:33,359
first-hand testimony that we can get you

1404
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:34,710
know while these people were still alive

1405
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,690
that participated in the original

1406
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,339
program I mean to me that was crucial

1407
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:40,319
because you can look at lots of funny

1408
01:08:43,700 --> 01:08:42,330
drawings on paper you know match two

1409
01:08:45,499 --> 01:08:43,710
targets and stuff and say oh that's

1410
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:45,509
remote viewing and someone psychically

1411
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,489
drew this a thousand miles away from

1412
01:08:50,539 --> 01:08:48,719
where they were supposed to be looking

1413
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:50,549
and they got it right but if you don't

1414
01:08:58,039 --> 01:08:53,460
actually get real credible people on

1415
01:08:59,780 --> 01:08:58,049
camera from CIA from dia from you know

1416
01:09:02,510 --> 01:08:59,790
the scientific community places like

1417
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:02,520
Cambridge in England you know we got a

1418
01:09:07,070 --> 01:09:04,020
Nobel Prize winner you know people from

1419
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,080
NASA like like Edgar Mitchell you know

1420
01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:09,600
we needed all of those people to say yes

1421
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:11,699
this really did occur because it was so

1422
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,859
incredible and so accurate that it

1423
01:09:17,870 --> 01:09:15,660
really sort of ends the debate about

1424
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:17,880
whether or not psychic abilities are

1425
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,250
real yeah they're real but are they

1426
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:22,500
are they useful you know for to US

1427
01:09:28,910 --> 01:09:25,650
intelligence the CIA says no but all of

1428
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:28,920
the documentation that I saw and and a

1429
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:30,170
lot of other people talked about

1430
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:32,250
suggests that it was incredibly useful

1431
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:35,630
ya know that's that's the thing this is

1432
01:09:43,519 --> 01:09:39,690
you know not you lads I'm saying in

1433
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:43,529
general the war you know the CIA's got

1434
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:45,719
this program running right now it they

1435
01:09:50,990 --> 01:09:49,049
did if they say no it means yes you know

1436
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:51,000
whenever you talk to somebody from CIA

1437
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:53,040
especially somebody like like a kit

1438
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:54,840
Green who was the former contract

1439
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:57,540
monitor and he was the later the you

1440
01:10:01,450 --> 01:09:59,699
know director of Life Sciences for CIA

1441
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:01,460
and he's still a working medical doctor

1442
01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:05,219
it's like talking to an onion you're

1443
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:06,870
peeling away all of these layers and

1444
01:10:11,180 --> 01:10:08,850
you're trying to get at what he really

1445
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:11,190
means or or what the truth really is

1446
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:13,860
about this and and and it just it never

1447
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:15,810
ends you go down the rabbit hole and

1448
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:18,210
there's so many different other

1449
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:21,420
that you find and and what I really

1450
01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:23,370
found is that this disconnects so many

1451
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,430
dots among so many different places in

1452
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:28,800
covert intelligence from everything from

1453
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:31,830
you know UFOs to psychic ability and

1454
01:10:36,170 --> 01:10:34,620
piqué and and sort of you know you know

1455
01:10:38,690 --> 01:10:36,180
these these sort of spy games that

1456
01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:38,700
governments play on each other and you

1457
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:41,340
know nobody really knows where this is

1458
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:43,020
at because the way intelligence is

1459
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:45,510
purposefully structured is to be highly

1460
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:47,610
compartmentalized so even people like

1461
01:10:51,230 --> 01:10:49,800
Russell or he'll put off or Joe

1462
01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:51,240
mcmoneagle who was the army remote

1463
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:53,100
viewer or other people you know I

1464
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,630
believe them when they say that this

1465
01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:57,120
isn't still going on but I also think

1466
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,820
that they don't really know if you talk

1467
01:11:03,050 --> 01:11:01,380
to kit Greene and he says it in our film

1468
01:11:05,390 --> 01:11:03,060
you know he says of course it's probably

1469
01:11:07,190 --> 01:11:05,400
still going on because they'd be dumb

1470
01:11:10,430 --> 01:11:07,200
not to works

1471
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:10,440
yeah and it's cheap it's cheap it's

1472
01:11:15,710 --> 01:11:14,340
super cheap you know okay let me ask you

1473
01:11:18,740 --> 01:11:15,720
this and then we're gonna get back to

1474
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:18,750
the film and by the way there are I'm

1475
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:20,760
speaking to the audience here there are

1476
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:22,770
a few key things that I do want to

1477
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:24,900
discuss in the film but I want to

1478
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:28,530
encourage everybody to go and watch it

1479
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:30,990
there is so much information there and

1480
01:11:34,430 --> 01:11:33,090
the things that I want to discuss

1481
01:11:37,730 --> 01:11:34,440
tonight about the film that are very

1482
01:11:39,860 --> 01:11:37,740
interesting are very small pieces of a

1483
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:39,870
very extraordinary project it's very

1484
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:42,090
comprehensive the the film is very

1485
01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:43,050
comprehensive

1486
01:11:49,670 --> 01:11:45,980
but I have to ask you about kid green

1487
01:11:52,190 --> 01:11:49,680
off off subject did you ask him about

1488
01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:52,200
UFOs did you ask him about UFOs

1489
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:56,100
off-camera yes I know actually you know

1490
01:12:02,060 --> 01:11:58,290
what I didn't purposefully bring up UFOs

1491
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:02,070
to him he wanted to talk about UFOs but

1492
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:04,230
he was not interesting and see with KITT

1493
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:07,020
KITT was a very very very intelligent

1494
01:12:12,940 --> 01:12:10,050
man and a very obviously you know

1495
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:12,950
integral person to this whole thing and

1496
01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:16,380
he made me do several interviews on

1497
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,910
background like you know basically where

1498
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,440
I wasn't going to include it in the film

1499
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:22,800
it was not to be printed but in those

1500
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,930
interviews he would constantly bring up

1501
01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:27,360
the idea of UFOs and and he would not

1502
01:12:30,750 --> 01:12:29,340
bring them up into the idea as as if

1503
01:12:33,209 --> 01:12:30,760
this was some great thing too

1504
01:12:36,930 --> 01:12:33,219
talk about he would bring it up as an

1505
01:12:38,759 --> 01:12:36,940
example of what is not scientific

1506
01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:38,769
you know it's anecdotal evidence it's

1507
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:40,300
that kind of thing it's it's a you know

1508
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:42,820
a guy sees a glowing squirrel in his

1509
01:12:46,290 --> 01:12:44,409
yard and then he has a blackout and

1510
01:12:48,660 --> 01:12:46,300
claims to have had a UFO encounter and

1511
01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:48,670
what the heck does this this glowing you

1512
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:49,960
know squirrel or raccoon or something

1513
01:12:53,339 --> 01:12:51,460
even mean we don't know we have no idea

1514
01:12:55,529 --> 01:12:53,349
it's really interesting but it's not

1515
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:55,539
scientific and and and these were the

1516
01:12:59,220 --> 01:12:57,010
kinds of debates that we would have off

1517
01:13:02,430 --> 01:12:59,230
screen over lunch and things like that

1518
01:13:04,740 --> 01:13:02,440
is how scientific is ESP and remote

1519
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:04,750
viewing but again I found that as just

1520
01:13:08,729 --> 01:13:06,489
another layer of the onion with this guy

1521
01:13:11,819 --> 01:13:08,739
because when when I would interview

1522
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:11,829
other people and and bring up you know

1523
01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:14,800
kit it became really clear that he has a

1524
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:17,500
very you know keen interest in the UFO

1525
01:13:22,890 --> 01:13:20,170
subject matter as does he'll put off

1526
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:22,900
right you know you know and and at that

1527
01:13:25,770 --> 01:13:24,489
time I didn't know anything about a tip

1528
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:25,780
or the you know the Pentagon threat

1529
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:27,190
assessment program I didn't know any of

1530
01:13:32,299 --> 01:13:30,010
that stuff but turns out that kit was

1531
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:32,309
the one that actually introduced how to

1532
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:35,170
the a tip not the ATA program but the to

1533
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:37,360
the Stars Academy you know that how

1534
01:13:42,509 --> 01:13:40,210
wasn't involved in and everywhere that I

1535
01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:42,519
would go you know people would say oh

1536
01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:43,780
yeah you know they're really really

1537
01:13:46,890 --> 01:13:44,920
interested in UFOs I think they're

1538
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:46,900
working on UFO stuff over there and I

1539
01:13:52,770 --> 01:13:48,670
would say you know oh well I don't know

1540
01:13:56,220 --> 01:13:52,780
maybe and and you know maybe but the

1541
01:13:58,589 --> 01:13:56,230
bottom line is that every time I would

1542
01:14:00,060 --> 01:13:58,599
try to get kit on camera he'd say oh I'm

1543
01:14:02,069 --> 01:14:00,070
much too busy I'm much too busy I can't

1544
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:02,079
I'm gonna be with Hal and in Austin this

1545
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:04,449
weekend and and I can I so great I'll

1546
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:06,010
come down to Austin and I'll get both

1547
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:08,050
you guys on camera that's even better no

1548
01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:09,460
no no no we're too busy I can't what are

1549
01:14:14,459 --> 01:14:11,260
you working on it can't talk about it

1550
01:14:19,759 --> 01:14:14,469
yeah they're working out of their new

1551
01:14:22,890 --> 01:14:19,769
History Channel TV series so but yeah he

1552
01:14:26,879 --> 01:14:22,900
kids got his fingers in a lot of pies

1553
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:26,889
and he is central to so many different

1554
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:30,130
discussions and over the years it is

1555
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:32,590
amazing to me how often his name comes

1556
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:36,630
up on completely what would seem to be

1557
01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:43,230
information and as it turns out it's all

1558
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:46,780
connected and and kit and and how have

1559
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:49,510
found themselves at the center of a lot

1560
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:52,090
of these pretty extraordinary claims you

1561
01:14:56,420 --> 01:14:54,010
know I'll tell you you know one of the

1562
01:14:58,920 --> 01:14:56,430
projects I might do moving forward is

1563
01:15:01,230 --> 01:14:58,930
involves UFOs and it also involves

1564
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:01,240
remote feeling because there's a

1565
01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:03,970
connection there and and I think that

1566
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:05,500
that the connection is is sort of a

1567
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:07,270
consciousness connection because if you

1568
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:09,190
can go and look at a Soviet weapons

1569
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:11,890
factory in Siberia or you can go and see

1570
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:14,110
the rings of ice rings around Jupiter

1571
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:16,570
six months before pioneer gets there and

1572
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:18,010
nobody you know on earth knows about it

1573
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:21,490
like like Ingo Swann did then that that

1574
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:22,750
basically suggests that your

1575
01:15:26,730 --> 01:15:24,250
consciousness can be anywhere right and

1576
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:26,740
and the only limit to that is your

1577
01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:28,930
imagination you know if you if you don't

1578
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,520
know something is there you can't

1579
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:32,320
imagine it and therefore you can't

1580
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:34,330
really make contact with it but if you

1581
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:35,950
understand that something really is

1582
01:15:39,930 --> 01:15:38,080
there then you can make contact with it

1583
01:15:42,180 --> 01:15:39,940
using your imagination as sort of a

1584
01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:42,190
steering wheel for your consciousness

1585
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:43,180
which i think is the most powerful

1586
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:46,570
communication tool that we have no we're

1587
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:50,950
not using what was what was it like with

1588
01:15:56,670 --> 01:15:54,880
so many you know CIA and defense

1589
01:15:59,460 --> 01:15:56,680
intelligence guys one after another

1590
01:16:02,880 --> 01:15:59,470
where you're interviewing them what was

1591
01:16:06,930 --> 01:16:02,890
that like did you feel that they were

1592
01:16:09,330 --> 01:16:06,940
giving you the straight story for the

1593
01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:09,340
most part yes you know for the most part

1594
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:11,500
yes and and and what struck me was how

1595
01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:13,990
incredibly generous how incredibly open

1596
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:15,700
and how incredibly you know nice

1597
01:16:21,870 --> 01:16:18,850
everyone was to us you know is that a

1598
01:16:24,330 --> 01:16:21,880
red flag though see that's my point is

1599
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:24,340
that a red flag image no no because I

1600
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,510
think that I think that for the most

1601
01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:27,520
part we were interviewing people who

1602
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:29,350
were not in the game now now there are

1603
01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:30,400
other people that we interviewed that I

1604
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:32,350
think might be but you know and even a

1605
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:34,450
few who said they were but but for the

1606
01:16:39,650 --> 01:16:37,120
most part you know people like Dale Graf

1607
01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:39,660
who was the defense intelligence agency

1608
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:42,190
head of the remote viewing program under

1609
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:45,850
Jack Verona dia or skip out water who

1610
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:48,010
was the head of the army remote viewing

1611
01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:49,810
program for a number of years

1612
01:16:55,710 --> 01:16:53,860
you know these guys are work we're

1613
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:55,720
career intelligence people but I do

1614
01:16:59,700 --> 01:16:57,490
believe that they are retired and I do

1615
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:59,710
believe that they have a very strong

1616
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:01,840
interest in in getting the story right

1617
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:05,410
you know movies like what what the movie

1618
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:06,970
you mentioned men who spirit stare at

1619
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:08,080
goats and things like that are a

1620
01:17:12,330 --> 01:17:09,610
complete complete

1621
01:17:13,710 --> 01:17:12,340
you know distortion of really anything I

1622
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:13,720
mean that wasn't even remotely about

1623
01:17:18,570 --> 01:17:15,370
remote viewing it was just about other

1624
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:18,580
things and and I think that there's been

1625
01:17:23,190 --> 01:17:21,010
a lot of minimizing and belittling of

1626
01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:23,200
this kind of subject matter because

1627
01:17:27,690 --> 01:17:25,750
belittling works you know it works in in

1628
01:17:29,940 --> 01:17:27,700
many different topics that sort of the

1629
01:17:31,860 --> 01:17:29,950
status quo just doesn't want you talking

1630
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:31,870
about you know you're never afraid of

1631
01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:34,480
like what you know CIA is gonna do you

1632
01:17:38,190 --> 01:17:36,520
you're afraid of what your mom's gonna

1633
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,200
say or what you know your your your

1634
01:17:41,220 --> 01:17:39,760
buddies at work are gonna say if you

1635
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:41,230
start talking about some weird thing

1636
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,230
like remote viewing or UFOs or whatever

1637
01:17:49,890 --> 01:17:47,440
and I think that yeah you know I spent a

1638
01:17:53,850 --> 01:17:49,900
really a long time with Ken Kratz who

1639
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:53,860
was the undercover CIA physicists that

1640
01:17:58,830 --> 01:17:55,810
did that ran the program at its

1641
01:18:00,360 --> 01:17:58,840
inception and Dale graph as well you

1642
01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:00,370
know we spent some time traveling and

1643
01:18:04,140 --> 01:18:02,500
and you know filming him for quite a

1644
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:04,150
while and I saw him at conferences and

1645
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:06,280
things like that afterwards and and both

1646
01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:08,740
of those people I think were people who

1647
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:10,840
started off very skeptically you know

1648
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,050
they were very very intelligent PhDs

1649
01:18:18,810 --> 01:18:16,000
you know scientists you know people who

1650
01:18:22,530 --> 01:18:18,820
were really people who had a reputation

1651
01:18:25,170 --> 01:18:22,540
you know and what they saw haunted them

1652
01:18:27,390 --> 01:18:25,180
and they couldn't get over it you know

1653
01:18:30,090 --> 01:18:27,400
and and this was especially obvious for

1654
01:18:32,430 --> 01:18:30,100
Kent because Ken in though however many

1655
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:32,440
decades that it's been since you know

1656
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:35,050
this started has never come forward you

1657
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:36,490
know he chose never to say anything

1658
01:18:40,770 --> 01:18:38,680
about this and he sort of has this you

1659
01:18:42,930 --> 01:18:40,780
know beautiful place up in Yellowstone

1660
01:18:44,700 --> 01:18:42,940
and and you know and he's he's gone

1661
01:18:47,060 --> 01:18:44,710
fishing he's retired you know and he was

1662
01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:47,070
he was out of this even before I think

1663
01:18:51,870 --> 01:18:49,000
CIA and a lot of the other agencies

1664
01:18:55,290 --> 01:18:51,880
really understood the true power of all

1665
01:18:58,620 --> 01:18:55,300
of this and and but nevertheless he was

1666
01:19:01,320 --> 01:18:58,630
witness to very miraculous things and

1667
01:19:03,100 --> 01:19:01,330
and and it was so fascinating to me and

1668
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:03,110
I'm at some point I'm gonna just

1669
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,630
put up like a big chunk of a dinner that

1670
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:07,520
he had with Russell the first night that

1671
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:09,170
we got there and I filmed this thing and

1672
01:19:13,420 --> 01:19:11,030
it was so obvious they were playing this

1673
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:13,430
chess game going back and forth trying

1674
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:14,810
to figure out if they should trust each

1675
01:19:19,450 --> 01:19:17,810
other you know ken was like kind of like

1676
01:19:21,310 --> 01:19:19,460
just probing like well what about this

1677
01:19:23,650 --> 01:19:21,320
thing and and what was your feeling

1678
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:23,660
about this other thing because even to

1679
01:19:28,090 --> 01:19:27,050
this day I think he he never fully can

1680
01:19:30,460 --> 01:19:28,100
wrap his head around what happened

1681
01:19:33,190 --> 01:19:30,470
because it was just so miraculous did

1682
01:19:36,850 --> 01:19:33,200
you reach out to the CIA for comment on

1683
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:36,860
this film I did not but but ken would

1684
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:38,930
only do the interview if I submitted

1685
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:40,850
questions first and those questions were

1686
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:43,250
vetted by CIA and he was approved to

1687
01:19:48,010 --> 01:19:45,350
answer them and and there was a whole

1688
01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:48,020
bunch of stuff that he also sent in that

1689
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:50,060
he was not allowed to talk about but

1690
01:19:56,830 --> 01:19:51,890
what he did talk about in the film was

1691
01:19:57,310 --> 01:19:56,840
actually approved by CIA stop right

1692
01:19:59,740 --> 01:19:57,320
there

1693
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,750
what what wasn't he allowed to talk

1694
01:20:03,310 --> 01:20:01,520
about I don't know cuz he wasn't allowed

1695
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:03,320
to talk about it oh you didn't she's a

1696
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:05,930
list oh okay I thought you had you you

1697
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:07,970
were given a list of thing now to avoid

1698
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:10,850
know what he said was he said send me a

1699
01:20:15,490 --> 01:20:13,310
list of your questions I will also

1700
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:15,500
include a list of the things that I

1701
01:20:19,390 --> 01:20:17,450
would like to talk about I will submit

1702
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:19,400
that directly to CIA and then whatever

1703
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:20,930
they come back to me with is what I will

1704
01:20:25,060 --> 01:20:23,570
talk about and and so that's what he did

1705
01:20:26,740 --> 01:20:25,070
and I kept asking him like well you

1706
01:20:28,540 --> 01:20:26,750
gotta tell me like what else and he goes

1707
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:28,550
oh it's it's I really want to talk about

1708
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:29,750
it but I can't and you know maybe

1709
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:31,730
they'll get back to me later and you

1710
01:20:35,530 --> 01:20:32,810
know like I'll be able to talk about it

1711
01:20:38,140 --> 01:20:35,540
later but I can't now and and so we left

1712
01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:38,150
it at that but but I mean well I what

1713
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:39,550
does that tell you Lance

1714
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:41,570
what does that tell you that I mean

1715
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:43,970
there there's a whole lot to it if they

1716
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:47,090
didn't care right yeah they would say

1717
01:20:50,650 --> 01:20:48,890
whatever man it's just a film about

1718
01:20:53,770 --> 01:20:50,660
remote viewing we're not even into that

1719
01:20:57,010 --> 01:20:53,780
never know if there are issues that

1720
01:20:59,200 --> 01:20:57,020
can't be crossed then there's something

1721
01:21:01,180 --> 01:20:59,210
else going on isn't there oh well I

1722
01:21:02,470 --> 01:21:01,190
asked he'll put off this question when

1723
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:02,480
we were doing the interview and he said

1724
01:21:06,940 --> 01:21:05,210
he believed that probably 70% of the

1725
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:06,950
work that was done has not been

1726
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:07,910
Declassified

1727
01:21:14,410 --> 01:21:11,930
Wow 70 now what about questions that you

1728
01:21:17,229 --> 01:21:14,420
asked that they didn't answer did you

1729
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:20,060
not a lot not a lot because because I've

1730
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:22,739
found that the the people that that we

1731
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:24,449
spoke with wanted to talk about the

1732
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:25,770
things and we had sort of fed it a lot

1733
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:29,010
of that ahead of time but I will say

1734
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:31,140
this that a lot of the sort of people

1735
01:21:35,090 --> 01:21:33,780
involved were so gun-shy you know

1736
01:21:36,860 --> 01:21:35,100
because of over the years of so many

1737
01:21:39,610 --> 01:21:36,870
sort of skeptical attacks and them sort

1738
01:21:42,919 --> 01:21:39,620
of being unable to talk about this stuff

1739
01:21:44,959 --> 01:21:42,929
that they're almost afraid to admit the

1740
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:44,969
enormity of what they had witnessed you

1741
01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:47,940
know in these programs and and you know

1742
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,620
not not literally scared like someone's

1743
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:52,080
gonna hurt them but you know just to

1744
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:54,449
openly talk about this it took a lot of

1745
01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:56,610
sort of back-and-forth and reassuring

1746
01:22:01,340 --> 01:21:58,980
that this was going to be a serious look

1747
01:22:03,530 --> 01:22:01,350
at this topic and not just a fluff piece

1748
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:03,540
or a propaganda piece right right

1749
01:22:08,899 --> 01:22:06,719
something like that well there was a

1750
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:08,909
couple of moments because you know kit

1751
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:12,150
and you know you know and how and and

1752
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:14,370
Russell we know these names Dean Radin

1753
01:22:17,689 --> 01:22:16,199
you know Dean's have been on the show I

1754
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:17,699
mean there's a great guy but we've all

1755
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:19,980
heard from them before but when you pull

1756
01:22:26,540 --> 01:22:22,650
in a guy like Dale right Dale graph or

1757
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:26,550
skip Atwater Charles Tartu as well was

1758
01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:28,830
was extraordinary and Stephen Schwartz

1759
01:22:34,939 --> 01:22:32,460
yes Stephen Schwartz mind-blowing stuff

1760
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:34,949
where we haven't heard from them before

1761
01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:40,050
and and Dale who ran the program and to

1762
01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:43,140
hear what he had to say it was it was

1763
01:22:48,169 --> 01:22:45,300
for me those were the magical moments

1764
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:48,179
here because these were people that we

1765
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:50,460
haven't heard from over and over again

1766
01:22:55,430 --> 01:22:53,130
right yeah and and you were able to

1767
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:55,440
capture this well you know I you know

1768
01:22:58,459 --> 01:22:56,699
something that didn't even make it into

1769
01:23:02,990 --> 01:22:58,469
the film for the sake of time was was

1770
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:03,000
how Dale graph actually was able to how

1771
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:05,489
they convinced Dale to even take this to

1772
01:23:11,419 --> 01:23:08,040
dia and and create on program for the

1773
01:23:13,550 --> 01:23:11,429
army you know Russell had approached dia

1774
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:13,560
about doing a contract and the thing is

1775
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:14,760
we always think of government as this

1776
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:16,860
monolithic force we think like you go to

1777
01:23:19,610 --> 01:23:18,330
the government you get something stamped

1778
01:23:22,459 --> 01:23:19,620
and then now you're doing a classified

1779
01:23:23,959 --> 01:23:22,469
program but there's different contracts

1780
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:23,969
within government you can get I can go

1781
01:23:27,670 --> 01:23:25,590
to dia and get a contract for remote

1782
01:23:30,190 --> 01:23:27,680
viewing I can go to CIA and

1783
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:30,200
say the Navy you know whoever and and so

1784
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:32,510
this is part of what Hal and Russell

1785
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:33,890
would do to basically keep food on the

1786
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:35,930
table is they would go to different you

1787
01:23:38,980 --> 01:23:37,250
know departments and different agencies

1788
01:23:40,690 --> 01:23:38,990
and and then you know kind of do their

1789
01:23:43,540 --> 01:23:40,700
dog and pony show what is remote viewing

1790
01:23:45,580 --> 01:23:43,550
and then they would get contracts and in

1791
01:23:46,750 --> 01:23:45,590
the way they did it with Dia this is a

1792
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:46,760
story I don't think has ever been told

1793
01:23:49,330 --> 01:23:48,410
anywhere because I have this footage and

1794
01:23:51,340 --> 01:23:49,340
I haven't released it it's eventually

1795
01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:51,350
going to be up on my youtube channel

1796
01:23:57,220 --> 01:23:54,260
Dale talked about how Russell came to

1797
01:23:59,140 --> 01:23:57,230
him and said ok today we're gonna be the

1798
01:24:01,870 --> 01:23:59,150
target and there's a remote viewer back

1799
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:01,880
in Palo Alto this was when I think Dale

1800
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:04,730
was at wright-patterson in in Ohio I

1801
01:24:10,090 --> 01:24:07,490
think and and he said we're gonna go on

1802
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:10,100
a trip and and that remote viewer back

1803
01:24:13,570 --> 01:24:11,840
in Palo Alto is gonna tell us and

1804
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:13,580
describe the location we're gonna call

1805
01:24:17,860 --> 01:24:15,650
her call her from a payphone at the

1806
01:24:19,780 --> 01:24:17,870
location and and then in deal was very

1807
01:24:20,980 --> 01:24:19,790
skeptical you know he was like I don't

1808
01:24:22,060 --> 01:24:20,990
believe in any of this stuff I don't

1809
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,070
know I mean he he just didn't know

1810
01:24:26,710 --> 01:24:24,080
anything about it so they went to some

1811
01:24:28,780 --> 01:24:26,720
local cave like a cavern with

1812
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:28,790
stalactites and stalagmites and stuff

1813
01:24:32,350 --> 01:24:30,890
and they walked around for a while and

1814
01:24:33,730 --> 01:24:32,360
and then you know Russell looked at his

1815
01:24:35,290 --> 01:24:33,740
watch and said okay I think that the

1816
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:35,300
remote was probably done now let's go to

1817
01:24:39,370 --> 01:24:37,310
the pay phone outside and find out if

1818
01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:39,380
she found out where you were and and

1819
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:41,270
Dale right there on the pay phone

1820
01:24:45,790 --> 01:24:44,090
I'm talked to hella Hammett who was one

1821
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:45,800
of their best remote viewers you know

1822
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:48,290
who started out as the control subject

1823
01:24:51,550 --> 01:24:49,850
who didn't have any psychic ability and

1824
01:24:54,340 --> 01:24:51,560
never done this before you know which

1825
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:54,350
was something that CIA asked to see she

1826
01:24:59,320 --> 01:24:55,490
turned out to be there statistically

1827
01:25:01,450 --> 01:24:59,330
best psychic ever but hella verbatim

1828
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:01,460
describes the stalagmites the

1829
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:04,010
stalactites the darkness the the fact

1830
01:25:07,690 --> 01:25:05,810
that they were enveloped by the dark and

1831
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:07,700
there was a you know water dripping and

1832
01:25:11,650 --> 01:25:09,290
you know all of these things that

1833
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:11,660
suggested a cavern and then she drew

1834
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:13,370
like all these you know pictures can't

1835
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:16,550
kind of cave like and and Dale was blown

1836
01:25:19,300 --> 01:25:17,930
away by that you know he couldn't

1837
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:19,310
understand it and so he said you know

1838
01:25:21,580 --> 01:25:20,480
okay we're gonna we're gonna keep

1839
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:21,590
looking into this and we're gonna move

1840
01:25:25,330 --> 01:25:23,510
forward with this and and that was the

1841
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:25,340
beginning of them working not with CIA

1842
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:27,770
but Defense Intelligence Agency which is

1843
01:25:32,290 --> 01:25:29,450
a completely different program and that

1844
01:25:35,650 --> 01:25:32,300
grew into the army program and you know

1845
01:25:38,050 --> 01:25:35,660
geomechanical and all those guys and and

1846
01:25:39,670 --> 01:25:38,060
that's why I think that we were able to

1847
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,680
get away with this documentary is

1848
01:25:42,650 --> 01:25:41,520
because I think that we really

1849
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:42,660
he slipped through the cracks because

1850
01:25:47,780 --> 01:25:44,820
you talked about like us submitting

1851
01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:47,790
questions to CIA right okay we submitted

1852
01:25:51,740 --> 01:25:49,740
it to CIA I half expected them to shut

1853
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:51,750
the whole thing down but they didn't and

1854
01:25:55,940 --> 01:25:53,820
they even approved things for Ken to

1855
01:25:58,010 --> 01:25:55,950
talk about that he was very surprised

1856
01:26:02,540 --> 01:25:58,020
about like the fact that Russell and Hal

1857
01:26:04,940 --> 01:26:02,550
had trained CIA agents that's s RI who

1858
01:26:07,940 --> 01:26:04,950
then went back to work directly for CIA

1859
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:07,950
and and nobody ever knew that nobody

1860
01:26:12,740 --> 01:26:10,050
knows about that you know so even within

1861
01:26:15,170 --> 01:26:12,750
CIA they had a separate not a program

1862
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,180
but they had remote viewers doing this

1863
01:26:20,780 --> 01:26:17,940
that then when Pat price came in he

1864
01:26:22,580 --> 01:26:20,790
worked with them but I was surprised

1865
01:26:24,020 --> 01:26:22,590
that that would even be released because

1866
01:26:25,190 --> 01:26:24,030
if they are doing something you'd think

1867
01:26:27,020 --> 01:26:25,200
that that's something you wouldn't want

1868
01:26:29,780 --> 01:26:27,030
people to know but I think in reality

1869
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:29,790
that this is no longer housed within CIA

1870
01:26:33,650 --> 01:26:31,710
you know this is the mainstream CIA

1871
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:33,660
those people probably know nothing about

1872
01:26:36,740 --> 01:26:34,980
this or think of about it

1873
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:36,750
as an old story out of the history books

1874
01:26:41,210 --> 01:26:38,580
and it probably just breezed right

1875
01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:41,220
through some sort of a process and got

1876
01:26:46,820 --> 01:26:43,350
back to Ken I think that this has gone

1877
01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:46,830
further underground and and probably

1878
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:49,440
it's gone back to the way it was used by

1879
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:52,050
US RI because when you had us all right

1880
01:26:57,170 --> 01:26:54,060
there a contractor it's sort of like the

1881
01:26:59,090 --> 01:26:57,180
Blackwater ization of ESP within

1882
01:27:00,920 --> 01:26:59,100
government okay no because now there's

1883
01:27:03,470 --> 01:27:00,930
lots of sr is there's there's many

1884
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:03,480
places that you can go if you're a

1885
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:05,730
corporation or a police department or

1886
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:09,090
whatever and and use contemporary remote

1887
01:27:13,460 --> 01:27:11,730
viewers to get stuff done and and so you

1888
01:27:15,620 --> 01:27:13,470
know the CIA is no longer trying to

1889
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,630
prove the ability they did that decades

1890
01:27:20,150 --> 01:27:17,520
ago they understood that it was useful

1891
01:27:23,380 --> 01:27:20,160
they had no idea how it works they

1892
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:23,390
didn't care you know and and yet now

1893
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:26,400
they can go and probably feed data to

1894
01:27:30,350 --> 01:27:27,990
companies that may not even know they're

1895
01:27:32,630 --> 01:27:30,360
doing classified work and then they get

1896
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:32,640
the feedback back and forth and and you

1897
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:34,050
know I just think it's gone further

1898
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,690
underground and and there's probably no

1899
01:27:41,540 --> 01:27:39,360
more congressional oversight and Senate

1900
01:27:43,780 --> 01:27:41,550
you know oversight and and that kind of

1901
01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:43,790
a thing because all of that came from

1902
01:27:48,830 --> 01:27:46,710
Russell and how because they already had

1903
01:27:51,020 --> 01:27:48,840
the contacts high up in government

1904
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:51,030
through their laser work so they went

1905
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:54,480
directly to senators and you know their

1906
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House of Representatives

1907
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presidential cabinets and they started

1908
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:00,210
this very official top-secret program

1909
01:28:05,450 --> 01:28:03,810
but like you said it's cheap I can you

1910
01:28:06,650 --> 01:28:05,460
know start a book club on Wednesdays and

1911
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:06,660
if I have a really really talented

1912
01:28:10,340 --> 01:28:08,250
remote viewer they can do really well

1913
01:28:11,660 --> 01:28:10,350
that's right that's right and you don't

1914
01:28:14,270 --> 01:28:11,670
have to have the infrastructure you

1915
01:28:16,820 --> 01:28:14,280
don't have to fly teams overseas no you

1916
01:28:18,260 --> 01:28:16,830
don't have none of that stuff comes into

1917
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:18,270
play don't have the logistical

1918
01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:22,110
nightmares that it comes with to try and

1919
01:28:29,180 --> 01:28:25,910
penetrate a Chinese or Soviet

1920
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:29,190
installation it's nearly impossible you

1921
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:30,480
know and you might be able to get it

1922
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:32,760
done it's gonna cost a lot of money and

1923
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:34,970
it's gonna take a lot of time whereas

1924
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remote viewing it's instant and you do

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it safely here from the United States

1926
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now when we come back after the break

1927
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Lance I want you can think about this

1928
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:47,430
during the break I want to know your

1929
01:28:56,060 --> 01:28:52,650
favorite part of the movie the one thing

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01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:56,070
that you learned and then we're going to

1931
01:29:05,420 --> 01:29:01,040
discuss Sugar Grove that's right okay so

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01:29:06,710 --> 01:29:05,430
exactly right so let's take a break

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01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:06,720
right here our guest tonight Lance

1934
01:29:12,110 --> 01:29:08,730
mangia we're discussing his new film

1935
01:29:15,020 --> 01:29:12,120
that he just released and directed it is

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01:29:15,260 --> 01:29:15,030
called third-eye spies this is fade to

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black

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more Lance after this break stay with us

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Store you are listening to fade to black

2036
01:34:04,510 --> 01:34:01,599
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2037
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:07,330
hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to me

2038
01:34:13,660 --> 01:34:10,090
church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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[Music]

2041
01:35:00,540 --> 01:34:58,020
[Applause]

2042
01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:00,550
welcome back fade to black I guess

2043
01:35:05,129 --> 01:35:02,230
tonight Lance Minji I want to thank

2044
01:35:07,470 --> 01:35:05,139
Russell Targ for coming in earlier and

2045
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:07,480
we're discussing their new documentary

2046
01:35:13,530 --> 01:35:10,210
it is called third eye spies it's

2047
01:35:15,569 --> 01:35:13,540
available on Amazon and iTunes and you

2048
01:35:17,459 --> 01:35:15,579
can just go to 3rd eye spies comm and

2049
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:17,469
the links are also over at Jimmy Church

2050
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:20,650
radio calm now Lance before the break I

2051
01:35:25,049 --> 01:35:23,199
wanted you to think about this what what

2052
01:35:29,370 --> 01:35:25,059
did you learn what was the one thing

2053
01:35:31,770 --> 01:35:29,380
that just blew your mind what did I

2054
01:35:34,649 --> 01:35:31,780
learn you know the thing that I sort of

2055
01:35:36,780 --> 01:35:34,659
it was more like a confirmation of

2056
01:35:40,740 --> 01:35:36,790
things that I had already sort of

2057
01:35:43,589 --> 01:35:40,750
inherently knew and and to talk about it

2058
01:35:45,810 --> 01:35:43,599
you sort of leave the the realm of

2059
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:45,820
science and sort of you know that kind

2060
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:47,170
of reality and you have to become almost

2061
01:35:52,740 --> 01:35:50,320
a poet and and and that is that you know

2062
01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:52,750
we are really much much more than sort

2063
01:35:59,640 --> 01:35:56,230
of just skin and bones and brain and

2064
01:36:02,220 --> 01:35:59,650
tissue and and and that there really it

2065
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:02,230
changed me as a person frankly to you

2066
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:04,510
know spend so much time working with so

2067
01:36:08,459 --> 01:36:06,670
many individuals that that have devoted

2068
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:08,469
their lives to the study of this and and

2069
01:36:12,780 --> 01:36:11,050
not in some sort of a fringy esoteric

2070
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:12,790
way but in really devoting their lives

2071
01:36:17,069 --> 01:36:14,650
to it and putting their PhDs on the line

2072
01:36:20,189 --> 01:36:17,079
that kind of a thing and and I walked

2073
01:36:23,399 --> 01:36:20,199
away from that recognizing more clearly

2074
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:23,409
that we are not confined to our own

2075
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:26,290
brain that our consciousness can really

2076
01:36:30,930 --> 01:36:28,510
I think exist outside of our brain and

2077
01:36:33,629 --> 01:36:30,940
that means that even when we die you

2078
01:36:35,250 --> 01:36:33,639
know frankly that that our consciousness

2079
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:35,260
continues because energy cannot be

2080
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:38,710
destroyed and energy and in your

2081
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:41,260
consciousness can exist outside of space

2082
01:36:44,729 --> 01:36:43,210
and time so that means part of it is

2083
01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:44,739
still there and I actually think that

2084
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:46,329
that even helped me deal with the recent

2085
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:48,159
death of my father you know cuz he died

2086
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:51,520
you know last summer and I think that

2087
01:36:57,649 --> 01:36:53,920
you know it's a little more comforting

2088
01:37:01,229 --> 01:36:57,659
you know to have a more grounded

2089
01:37:03,419 --> 01:37:01,239
scientific understanding of these sorts

2090
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:03,429
of things that allow you to kind of be a

2091
01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:04,960
little more open to a lot of other

2092
01:37:09,570 --> 01:37:07,150
things and part of that I think is is

2093
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,580
just the survival of consciousness well

2094
01:37:12,930 --> 01:37:11,440
and there must have been a moment when

2095
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:12,940
you're looking at all of this evidence

2096
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:15,790
mountains of it and it's all clearly

2097
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:17,650
depicted in the film where you're

2098
01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:19,660
looking at all of this where even you

2099
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:23,230
step back and had that holy crap moment

2100
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:26,650
and did you include that holy crap

2101
01:37:32,670 --> 01:37:29,770
moment in the film yes I did there was

2102
01:37:34,350 --> 01:37:32,680
actually two and you know when when I

2103
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:34,360
started this we were talking about

2104
01:37:38,940 --> 01:37:36,850
history and and I knew that it would be

2105
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:38,950
a fascinating documentary for me to make

2106
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:41,290
because no matter what the the real

2107
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:43,510
story is no matter what I found at the

2108
01:37:49,620 --> 01:37:47,290
end of this rabbit hole it happened you

2109
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:49,630
know and it was part of history and no

2110
01:37:55,020 --> 01:37:52,090
one was telling the story it had been

2111
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:55,030
relegated to sort of just conspiracy or

2112
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:58,480
you know an interesting myth or whatever

2113
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:00,880
maybe or maybe not no there's no maybe

2114
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:02,290
or maybe not about it all of these

2115
01:38:07,470 --> 01:38:04,120
events that take place in our film

2116
01:38:09,420 --> 01:38:07,480
actually occurred and and the history of

2117
01:38:11,480 --> 01:38:09,430
that alone the history of both the

2118
01:38:14,250 --> 01:38:11,490
Soviet Union and the United States

2119
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:14,260
taking these subjects seriously enough

2120
01:38:19,170 --> 01:38:16,510
to devote you know a twenty thirty year

2121
01:38:21,630 --> 01:38:19,180
you know span of time to them was enough

2122
01:38:24,270 --> 01:38:21,640
to make the film but it was still

2123
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:24,280
historical and and I was very very

2124
01:38:30,630 --> 01:38:29,290
hesitant to do this myself I didn't want

2125
01:38:32,340 --> 01:38:30,640
to I didn't want to become a subject

2126
01:38:33,630 --> 01:38:32,350
during the making of the film because I

2127
01:38:36,330 --> 01:38:33,640
felt like that would pollute the film

2128
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:36,340
but I wanted to see contemporary remote

2129
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:38,530
viewing I needed to see this with my own

2130
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:41,170
eyes because if it's that easy if it's

2131
01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:43,570
as easy as Russell Targ says then I

2132
01:38:48,930 --> 01:38:44,830
should be able to capture that on film

2133
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:48,940
and I remember I went to her you know

2134
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:50,410
the International remote viewing

2135
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,850
Association conference for the first

2136
01:38:57,090 --> 01:38:53,920
time and I and I was gonna shoot this

2137
01:38:58,590 --> 01:38:57,100
some audience of probably 200 people and

2138
01:39:00,540 --> 01:38:58,600
Russell Targ was gonna lead them through

2139
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:00,550
a remote viewing and I had never seen a

2140
01:39:07,410 --> 01:39:02,770
contemporary remote viewing in person

2141
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:07,420
before and in in watching this I'm in

2142
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:08,890
and Russell's always saying everybody's

2143
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:10,210
psychic everybody's psychic and I had

2144
01:39:13,860 --> 01:39:12,250
already spoken to several of the people

2145
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:13,870
in the audience at that point and I knew

2146
01:39:17,190 --> 01:39:15,460
that a lot of them had come here for the

2147
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:17,200
first time they've never done this

2148
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:19,570
before you know they some of them barely

2149
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:21,670
knew what remote was and Russell got up

2150
01:39:24,990 --> 01:39:23,050
on stage and he walked them

2151
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:25,000
through how to do this and he basically

2152
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:27,250
said okay someone is going to go hide

2153
01:39:30,780 --> 01:39:29,170
somewhere in Vegas they're wearing a

2154
01:39:32,129 --> 01:39:30,790
GoPro on around their chest so we're

2155
01:39:33,390 --> 01:39:32,139
gonna be able to film that and bring it

2156
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:33,400
back later

2157
01:39:37,950 --> 01:39:35,050
but I want you to just basically close

2158
01:39:39,540 --> 01:39:37,960
your eyes and and imagine where this

2159
01:39:41,310 --> 01:39:39,550
person it was actually Paul Smith he was

2160
01:39:42,959 --> 01:39:41,320
a well-known remote viewer from the army

2161
01:39:47,069 --> 01:39:42,969
right where is Paul Smith gonna be

2162
01:39:48,689 --> 01:39:47,079
hiding and and just whatever the most

2163
01:39:50,819 --> 01:39:48,699
unexpected images are you write that

2164
01:39:54,299 --> 01:39:50,829
down and and don't label it don't name

2165
01:39:56,970 --> 01:39:54,309
only name it just write it down and Paul

2166
01:39:59,220 --> 01:39:56,980
left I went around the room with my

2167
01:40:00,180 --> 01:39:59,230
camera and I sort of stood over the

2168
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,190
shoulders of all of these different

2169
01:40:03,899 --> 01:40:02,320
people as they were kind of like

2170
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:03,909
thinking about it and like writing down

2171
01:40:07,859 --> 01:40:05,440
little impressions that they would get

2172
01:40:09,089 --> 01:40:07,869
in their minds eye on paper and I

2173
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:09,099
started to see patterns

2174
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:12,159
I saw triangles I saw lots of fish on

2175
01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:15,040
people's paper I saw one person doing a

2176
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:18,369
a coin fountain with water coming down

2177
01:40:22,379 --> 01:40:20,110
somebody else doing sort of a staircase

2178
01:40:23,879 --> 01:40:22,389
with water coming down and I'm like wow

2179
01:40:25,589 --> 01:40:23,889
all of these people are sort of getting

2180
01:40:28,799 --> 01:40:25,599
very similar images like person after

2181
01:40:30,359 --> 01:40:28,809
person after person and and and I

2182
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:30,369
thought gee I hope this is right or else

2183
01:40:32,939 --> 01:40:31,360
I'm gonna have to put this in the

2184
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:32,949
documentary and it's gonna be completely

2185
01:40:38,459 --> 01:40:34,719
wrong but that's okay you know if that's

2186
01:40:40,589 --> 01:40:38,469
the way it goes right and and literally

2187
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:40,599
20 30 minutes later Paul comes back they

2188
01:40:47,069 --> 01:40:42,790
plug the camera onto the projector and

2189
01:40:49,709 --> 01:40:47,079
it was an indoor Bass Pro Shop with all

2190
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:49,719
of these fish tanks with triangular

2191
01:40:58,379 --> 01:40:53,460
windows like skylights above and a giant

2192
01:41:00,540 --> 01:40:58,389
indoor waterfall with a coin fountain so

2193
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:00,550
I you know and and they counted up the

2194
01:41:05,490 --> 01:41:02,530
results probably 80% of the audience got

2195
01:41:09,839 --> 01:41:05,500
it right and and and that that was the

2196
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:09,849
blue line moment for me when look it's

2197
01:41:16,459 --> 01:41:12,610
it's it's an obvious thing for me to say

2198
01:41:19,020 --> 01:41:16,469
right now they could have drawn anything

2199
01:41:20,819 --> 01:41:19,030
right they could have drawn anything

2200
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:20,829
you're in Vegas why would they drawing

2201
01:41:28,649 --> 01:41:26,110
like you know machines right right that

2202
01:41:31,290 --> 01:41:28,659
that's incredible and that is an aha

2203
01:41:33,569 --> 01:41:31,300
moment isn't it it is and I actually saw

2204
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:33,579
it repeated twice more actually three

2205
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:35,110
times because we went to Dean Raiden's

2206
01:41:38,670 --> 01:41:36,730
lab and we did a

2207
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:38,680
really interesting sort of precognitive

2208
01:41:43,170 --> 01:41:41,050
remote viewing with Gale heissen who was

2209
01:41:44,850 --> 01:41:43,180
one of Dean ratings subjects at his lab

2210
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:44,860
and that's actually up on my YouTube

2211
01:41:47,670 --> 01:41:46,390
channel now you can you can see that

2212
01:41:49,710 --> 01:41:47,680
it's not in the film but it we did that

2213
01:41:53,370 --> 01:41:49,720
that was amazing and in that one we sent

2214
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:53,380
out a person with an ax go pro on run

2215
01:41:57,150 --> 01:41:56,050
their their neck and every 15 minutes

2216
01:41:58,650 --> 01:41:57,160
they were supposed to just stop

2217
01:42:00,570 --> 01:41:58,660
somewhere and hang out for 10 minutes

2218
01:42:02,670 --> 01:42:00,580
and then she was supposed to you know

2219
01:42:04,890 --> 01:42:02,680
describe where they were if she got some

2220
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:04,900
really good hits you know and then the

2221
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:07,450
the best one though this was much later

2222
01:42:11,850 --> 01:42:09,489
in the process was when Laurie Williams

2223
01:42:13,260 --> 01:42:11,860
who Laurie Williams if you hadn't had

2224
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:13,270
her on your show you totally should

2225
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:15,130
she's an amazing remote viewer and an

2226
01:42:19,860 --> 01:42:17,530
instructor she has intuitive specialists

2227
01:42:22,500 --> 01:42:19,870
is her company and she was teaching a

2228
01:42:24,210 --> 01:42:22,510
group of Russians in the city where I

2229
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:24,220
lived at the time which was Monrovia

2230
01:42:28,650 --> 01:42:26,530
California um I didn't know Laurie from

2231
01:42:30,810 --> 01:42:28,660
Adam I get a phone call from Deborah

2232
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:30,820
Katz who's a friend and and she she

2233
01:42:34,410 --> 01:42:32,410
calls me and says hey there's gonna be a

2234
01:42:37,770 --> 01:42:34,420
group of Russian remote viewers in

2235
01:42:40,110 --> 01:42:37,780
Monrovia you should go film them down

2236
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:40,120
the street from me man where is it

2237
01:42:51,090 --> 01:42:47,850
Lance Lance I'm ready to end the

2238
01:42:53,940 --> 01:42:51,100
interview right now I mean how cool was

2239
01:42:55,470 --> 01:42:53,950
that so what happened well well so so I

2240
01:42:58,290 --> 01:42:55,480
didn't know Laurie I call her up and I

2241
01:42:59,760 --> 01:42:58,300
say you know um look this is gonna sound

2242
01:43:01,320 --> 01:42:59,770
weird but I live in Monrovia and I'm

2243
01:43:02,670 --> 01:43:01,330
doing a documentary on remote viewing

2244
01:43:04,710 --> 01:43:02,680
and do you mind if I just fill in your

2245
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:04,720
class because I thought to me I had said

2246
01:43:07,860 --> 01:43:05,410
again and again

2247
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:07,870
I need something Russian in the film

2248
01:43:11,700 --> 01:43:09,850
because this is about the Soviet Union

2249
01:43:13,530 --> 01:43:11,710
and I can't go to Russia and talk to

2250
01:43:15,780 --> 01:43:13,540
remote viewers there and they they

2251
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:15,790
literally came to me like to within like

2252
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:17,410
blocks of where I lived it was amazing

2253
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,560
amazing synchronicity but but I went to

2254
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:22,000
her class and she was so generous you

2255
01:43:25,770 --> 01:43:23,650
know her and her husband Jim opened up

2256
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:25,780
the doors for us and just let us in and

2257
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:30,970
and and and and film them and I saw so

2258
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:33,280
many amazing remote viewers especially

2259
01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:35,170
again people who had not done it before

2260
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:37,480
they had come to Los Angeles to learn

2261
01:43:41,220 --> 01:43:39,940
from Laurie from Russia you know and

2262
01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:41,230
this was kind of like this exchange

2263
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:43,950
thing that they had been doing and and

2264
01:43:48,930 --> 01:43:46,330
one guy you know the guy in the film

2265
01:43:50,430 --> 01:43:48,940
Sasha you know Sasha actually wasn't a

2266
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:50,440
pretty experienced remote viewer

2267
01:43:53,939 --> 01:43:52,630
he does sports betting in in Russia you

2268
01:43:57,540 --> 01:43:53,949
know which is also a thing here in the

2269
01:44:01,650 --> 01:43:57,550
states as well and and he nailed that

2270
01:44:04,770 --> 01:44:01,660
target of looking at you know the target

2271
01:44:07,530 --> 01:44:04,780
was Apollo 11 and and the moon landing

2272
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:07,540
and he did this clay sculpture in 3d

2273
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,250
like something out of freakin Close

2274
01:44:12,450 --> 01:44:10,960
Encounters of the Third Kind with you

2275
01:44:13,860 --> 01:44:12,460
know ROI nearing like you know making

2276
01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:13,870
this thing you just see him sitting

2277
01:44:16,890 --> 01:44:14,830
there and he's like playing with this

2278
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:16,900
ball of clay and he's making this little

2279
01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:18,400
tripod thing and I even thought as he

2280
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:19,780
was doing it you know that looks kind of

2281
01:44:23,459 --> 01:44:22,000
like the moon and he had no idea that

2282
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:23,469
the target that had been picked was

2283
01:44:29,670 --> 01:44:26,890
Apollo 11 and and he nailed it you know

2284
01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:29,680
and and so so how do you explain those

2285
01:44:34,620 --> 01:44:31,390
kinds of things and Laurie actually had

2286
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:34,630
a very interesting partial explanation

2287
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:37,210
in that she believes that the Mort

2288
01:44:42,630 --> 01:44:39,370
something is looked at the easier is to

2289
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,640
see sure and so so she keeps probably 60

2290
01:44:47,340 --> 01:44:45,280
different targets sealed in

2291
01:44:48,810 --> 01:44:47,350
you know folders and and then she

2292
01:44:50,370 --> 01:44:48,820
randomly picks from those targets but

2293
01:44:52,740 --> 01:44:50,380
they're all targets that some other

2294
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:52,750
student at some other point in time has

2295
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,510
also viewed and and she believes that a

2296
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,000
that makes it easier to see and and also

2297
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:00,400
even when the same student does the

2298
01:45:03,959 --> 01:45:02,530
target over a period of days it's like

2299
01:45:06,810 --> 01:45:03,969
they're blazing a path to the target

2300
01:45:09,420 --> 01:45:06,820
psychically and and I found that just

2301
01:45:12,209 --> 01:45:09,430
fascinating well Dean Radin Dean Radin

2302
01:45:14,580 --> 01:45:12,219
who blows my mind by the way I think

2303
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:14,590
he's about as extraordinary of an

2304
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:17,290
individual as there is but Dean talks

2305
01:45:21,660 --> 01:45:20,080
about that in the film and and he you

2306
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:21,670
know you have the micro and the macro

2307
01:45:25,170 --> 01:45:23,290
side of this right you have the

2308
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:25,180
grandiose side of things where things

2309
01:45:28,740 --> 01:45:26,800
are being discovered and you can name it

2310
01:45:31,530 --> 01:45:28,750
and open up envelopes there's all of

2311
01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:31,540
that but that's not what is most

2312
01:45:37,380 --> 01:45:33,940
fascinating here it's what goes on at

2313
01:45:40,500 --> 01:45:37,390
the atomic level where everything is

2314
01:45:42,420 --> 01:45:40,510
connected period and that is what we

2315
01:45:44,090 --> 01:45:42,430
need to focus on here and that's exactly

2316
01:45:47,310 --> 01:45:44,100
what you're talking about the more that

2317
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:47,320
something is talked about you know the

2318
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:51,130
the atoms the electric universe is gets

2319
01:45:56,670 --> 01:45:54,850
excited right now that's exactly what is

2320
01:45:59,939 --> 01:45:56,680
going on here when you have a room full

2321
01:46:04,170 --> 01:45:59,949
of people like you're saying all seeing

2322
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:04,180
Bass Pro Shops well electronically

2323
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:07,840
everybody there is is exciting what is

2324
01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:10,090
out there right and they're all starting

2325
01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:11,950
to Zone in on the same thing and they

2326
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:15,700
don't realize why exactly and and it's

2327
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:18,250
it's proven again and again in in

2328
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:20,770
various ways even when it comes to stuff

2329
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:22,090
like pk

2330
01:46:26,430 --> 01:46:24,070
when it comes to UFO phenomenon like

2331
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:26,440
things like UFOs summoning you know

2332
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:29,560
there's so many different ways that that

2333
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,560
group energy actually has an effect even

2334
01:46:36,510 --> 01:46:34,480
the power of prayer you know it's like

2335
01:46:38,940 --> 01:46:36,520
there's something about when you focus a

2336
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:38,950
lot of consciousness on a given topic or

2337
01:46:44,910 --> 01:46:42,250
thing or plays that makes it easier to

2338
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:44,920
see you saw it in 911 I had my own

2339
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:46,930
precognitive experience of 9/11 and I

2340
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,970
know you know many many hundreds of

2341
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,800
thousands of other people claimed that

2342
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:52,960
that they sort of saw that coming you

2343
01:46:57,690 --> 01:46:55,450
know intuitively and it's because it was

2344
01:46:59,850 --> 01:46:57,700
such a big splash in psychic space it

2345
01:47:01,560 --> 01:46:59,860
made it very easy to see I'm gonna go

2346
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:01,570
even one step further and I'll really

2347
01:47:07,650 --> 01:47:04,210
sort of you know plug my film for a

2348
01:47:10,710 --> 01:47:07,660
moment because I actually hypothesize

2349
01:47:13,050 --> 01:47:10,720
and this is just my own theory that the

2350
01:47:16,370 --> 01:47:13,060
reason that some of the remote viewings

2351
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:16,380
from Russell and SSRI were so damn good

2352
01:47:24,420 --> 01:47:21,250
was because of our film today because in

2353
01:47:27,420 --> 01:47:24,430
psychic space there is no time all that

2354
01:47:29,580 --> 01:47:27,430
matters is that someone somewhere in the

2355
01:47:30,900 --> 01:47:29,590
history of time and space is looking at

2356
01:47:33,420 --> 01:47:30,910
it and looking at it with a lot of

2357
01:47:35,460 --> 01:47:33,430
conscious focus so if we go make a film

2358
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:35,470
right now about stuff that was done 30

2359
01:47:40,530 --> 01:47:37,690
40 years ago and a whole bunch of people

2360
01:47:42,930 --> 01:47:40,540
watch that film and go wow that scene

2361
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:42,940
we're hella Hammett is describing that

2362
01:47:47,910 --> 01:47:44,890
overpass is so interesting and it's

2363
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:47,920
fascinating then why can't hella Hammett

2364
01:47:53,940 --> 01:47:51,730
back in 1974 use all of that

2365
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:53,950
consciousness to better describe what

2366
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:55,330
she has been asked to describe which is

2367
01:48:01,650 --> 01:47:58,210
that overpass well and going back to

2368
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:01,660
Dean Radin where he talks about the

2369
01:48:08,340 --> 01:48:04,810
future is just as easy to see with

2370
01:48:10,590 --> 01:48:08,350
remote viewing as today yeah or the past

2371
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:10,600
over the past yeah yeah and but but

2372
01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:12,010
here's the the kicker and the reason I

2373
01:48:16,020 --> 01:48:14,110
kind of came to that conclusion was that

2374
01:48:17,250 --> 01:48:16,030
hella it you know Russell found

2375
01:48:17,879 --> 01:48:17,260
literally in his closet

2376
01:48:19,889 --> 01:48:17,889
the

2377
01:48:22,020 --> 01:48:19,899
original audio tape of hella Hammett who

2378
01:48:25,069 --> 01:48:22,030
again was first the control subject and

2379
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:25,079
later one of their best remote viewers

2380
01:48:29,759 --> 01:48:27,550
doing her very very first remote viewing

2381
01:48:32,669 --> 01:48:29,769
she'd never done it before and and she

2382
01:48:34,339 --> 01:48:32,679
described this overpass target that

2383
01:48:36,509 --> 01:48:34,349
he'll put off had been sent out to go

2384
01:48:38,459 --> 01:48:36,519
stand on and nobody knew where he was

2385
01:48:40,679 --> 01:48:38,469
and she perfectly described squares

2386
01:48:42,209 --> 01:48:40,689
within squares within squares and you

2387
01:48:44,009 --> 01:48:42,219
know this long conduit kind of thing

2388
01:48:47,339 --> 01:48:44,019
four stories up and you know all these

2389
01:48:49,319 --> 01:48:47,349
details and I suck up this material for

2390
01:48:52,649 --> 01:48:49,329
the first time in the Edit Bay and I'm

2391
01:48:56,429 --> 01:48:52,659
playing her audio along with Nell

2392
01:48:58,919 --> 01:48:56,439
Russell you know in you know 2015 you

2393
01:49:01,319 --> 01:48:58,929
know walking up this overpass and it

2394
01:49:04,049 --> 01:49:01,329
sounds as if she's describing a

2395
01:49:05,850 --> 01:49:04,059
combination of how and Russell because

2396
01:49:07,739 --> 01:49:05,860
she says stuff like there's something

2397
01:49:09,870 --> 01:49:07,749
wrong with how he's going up the

2398
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:09,880
overpass but he's hunched over it's

2399
01:49:12,989 --> 01:49:11,530
almost like he's wearing a backpack and

2400
01:49:14,459 --> 01:49:12,999
he's having a little trouble of getting

2401
01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:14,469
up the steps he's having to hold on to

2402
01:49:18,659 --> 01:49:16,510
the side railing and as I'm playing that

2403
01:49:21,239 --> 01:49:18,669
audio I'm watching Russell do exactly

2404
01:49:22,949 --> 01:49:21,249
that and and you know older Russell has

2405
01:49:24,540 --> 01:49:22,959
an older man right and and then she says

2406
01:49:25,589 --> 01:49:24,550
and there's like an obstruction in the

2407
01:49:28,679 --> 01:49:25,599
middle of the conduit you got to go

2408
01:49:31,620 --> 01:49:28,689
around it and there was an obstruction

2409
01:49:32,669 --> 01:49:31,630
there it was a like one of those things

2410
01:49:33,810 --> 01:49:32,679
that you put in the middle of an

2411
01:49:35,459 --> 01:49:33,820
overpass so that you can't ride your

2412
01:49:37,529 --> 01:49:35,469
bike through it like a bike obstruction

2413
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:37,539
obstruction right and and the thing is I

2414
01:49:43,169 --> 01:49:40,090
found out that wasn't put in until the

2415
01:49:46,139 --> 01:49:43,179
90s that seventies yeah that's crazy

2416
01:49:48,359 --> 01:49:46,149
that's crazy I I'm with you I believe

2417
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:48,369
that what you are saying right now is

2418
01:49:56,759 --> 01:49:50,530
exactly how it went down

2419
01:49:58,500 --> 01:49:56,769
or how how the past can be influenced by

2420
01:50:02,819 --> 01:49:58,510
the future there's no question about it

2421
01:50:06,270 --> 01:50:02,829
yeah and Waddell okay we let this show

2422
01:50:10,469 --> 01:50:06,280
get away from me I always do that I want

2423
01:50:11,759 --> 01:50:10,479
to discuss Sugar Grove and which is

2424
01:50:13,469 --> 01:50:11,769
going to take us into the break and

2425
01:50:19,739 --> 01:50:13,479
we'll continue talking about Sugar Grove

2426
01:50:23,850 --> 01:50:19,749
after which is a very small part of the

2427
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:23,860
film but it's an extraordinary story and

2428
01:50:30,290 --> 01:50:26,169
a great set up for the rest of the film

2429
01:50:32,990 --> 01:50:30,300
because of a couple of things one it was

2430
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:33,000
sieved as a failure that was that was

2431
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:36,300
that was that was the best for me where

2432
01:50:42,260 --> 01:50:39,690
and then the fact that it was the most

2433
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:42,270
extraordinary successful remote-viewing

2434
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:44,450
like ever in the history of everything

2435
01:50:51,230 --> 01:50:48,080
was an accident that came out later

2436
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:51,240
which sounds pretty trippy for me to set

2437
01:50:56,060 --> 01:50:53,130
up like that but that's exactly the case

2438
01:50:57,650 --> 01:50:56,070
with Sugar Grove isn't it it is

2439
01:50:59,780 --> 01:50:57,660
you know Sugar Grove actually was one of

2440
01:51:01,700 --> 01:50:59,790
the first things that I had read in in

2441
01:51:04,490 --> 01:51:01,710
mind reach you know Russell's you know

2442
01:51:06,530 --> 01:51:04,500
book and and and this was sort of the

2443
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:06,540
thing that caught my attention first as

2444
01:51:10,010 --> 01:51:08,280
a filmmaker and especially somebody who

2445
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:10,020
has done narrative films in the past and

2446
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:11,760
it sort of still thinks about maybe

2447
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:13,890
doing some of these stories as a as a

2448
01:51:19,850 --> 01:51:17,040
bigger narrative film you know is it's

2449
01:51:21,620 --> 01:51:19,860
fascinating it's almost like the psychic

2450
01:51:23,090 --> 01:51:21,630
Dirty Dozen like you know breaking into

2451
01:51:24,740 --> 01:51:23,100
this like impregnable

2452
01:51:26,900 --> 01:51:24,750
you know fortress at NSA and then

2453
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:26,910
leaving with secret documents you know

2454
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:30,330
it really is a what it was but that's

2455
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:34,110
exactly what it was what really was and

2456
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:37,530
this Sugar Grove sent chills down the

2457
01:51:42,530 --> 01:51:40,650
spine of every intelligence agency of

2458
01:51:44,510 --> 01:51:42,540
the US government that's right now we

2459
01:51:47,660 --> 01:51:44,520
have three things that come into play we

2460
01:51:49,190 --> 01:51:47,670
have what Sugar Grove is and it's a

2461
01:51:52,970 --> 01:51:49,200
place we'll talk about that in a second

2462
01:51:56,180 --> 01:51:52,980
a virtual like you just said an NSA

2463
01:51:59,390 --> 01:51:56,190
break-in which was awesome and then

2464
01:52:01,700 --> 01:51:59,400
operation pool cue and we have map a

2465
01:52:08,060 --> 01:52:01,710
coordinate viewing which was something

2466
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:08,070
that was just started at s RI and all of

2467
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:10,710
these things played out now let's start

2468
01:52:15,230 --> 01:52:11,520
here

2469
01:52:19,210 --> 01:52:15,240
what is Sugar Grove the place Sugar

2470
01:52:22,730 --> 01:52:19,220
Grove is about a hundred mile radius in

2471
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:22,740
Virginia that now has been sort of

2472
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:24,210
decommissioned it's no longer in play

2473
01:52:30,170 --> 01:52:26,610
but for many many years

2474
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:30,180
Sugar Grove was so secretive that within

2475
01:52:35,090 --> 01:52:32,850
a hundred miles of the facility in every

2476
01:52:36,860 --> 01:52:35,100
direction it was a radio free zone you

2477
01:52:39,290 --> 01:52:36,870
could not use walkie-talkies you could

2478
01:52:40,910 --> 01:52:39,300
not use you know radios it was before

2479
01:52:42,230 --> 01:52:40,920
cellphones at the time but I think even

2480
01:52:43,970 --> 01:52:42,240
after cellphones came out you still

2481
01:52:47,020 --> 01:52:43,980
couldn't use them within this area

2482
01:52:51,110 --> 01:52:47,030
and and the reason was that it is a

2483
01:52:53,450 --> 01:52:51,120
radio telescope facility the most

2484
01:52:56,300 --> 01:52:53,460
classified NSA facility at that time

2485
01:52:58,580 --> 01:52:56,310
during the Cold War designed to pick up

2486
01:53:00,650 --> 01:52:58,590
transmissions from Russian satellites

2487
01:53:02,210 --> 01:53:00,660
and and probably other things that are

2488
01:53:08,150 --> 01:53:02,220
still classified that that I can't even

2489
01:53:09,860 --> 01:53:08,160
fathom and and basically nobody really

2490
01:53:13,070 --> 01:53:09,870
knew what Sugar Grove was at the time

2491
01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:13,080
and and that's what it basically was so

2492
01:53:22,010 --> 01:53:18,780
what what ends up happening is that map

2493
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:22,020
coordinate viewing which is what it

2494
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:25,920
states you get coordinates and you work

2495
01:53:31,490 --> 01:53:29,040
off that and and what is at that

2496
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:31,500
coordinate and that's what happens here

2497
01:53:36,140 --> 01:53:33,930
right well yeah I mean coordinate remote

2498
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:36,150
viewing was something that that SR I

2499
01:53:40,630 --> 01:53:37,890
figured out you know they figured out

2500
01:53:42,890 --> 01:53:40,640
that if they just gave a remote viewer

2501
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:42,900
latitude and longitude anywhere on the

2502
01:53:45,380 --> 01:53:43,290
planet

2503
01:53:47,210 --> 01:53:45,390
that that that remote viewer could then

2504
01:53:49,820 --> 01:53:47,220
zero in on that latitude and longitude

2505
01:53:52,490 --> 01:53:49,830
and describe exactly what was there and

2506
01:53:55,310 --> 01:53:52,500
and so when kit green heard about this

2507
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:55,320
at CIA he kind of went what you can do

2508
01:54:00,470 --> 01:53:57,690
what you can see anywhere on the planet

2509
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:00,480
just using coordinates and and Russell

2510
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:01,890
said yes that's what we're doing and

2511
01:54:04,550 --> 01:54:03,330
we're doing it very successfully they've

2512
01:54:07,340 --> 01:54:04,560
done a lot of early trials with it

2513
01:54:10,060 --> 01:54:07,350
already and and so at this point they

2514
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:10,070
didn't have full funding from CIA and

2515
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:13,440
kit said okay look we still think this

2516
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:17,489
is a bunch of BS but if you can prove

2517
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:18,810
this then you know we're gonna really

2518
01:54:23,780 --> 01:54:22,080
fund you so here's some coordinates and

2519
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:23,790
he got these coordinates from a buddy of

2520
01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:27,690
his kit told me that the guy was a like

2521
01:54:31,460 --> 01:54:29,910
a satellite analyst you know that dealt

2522
01:54:32,990 --> 01:54:31,470
with maps and you know looking at

2523
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:33,000
satellite imagery and analyzing what he

2524
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:35,730
saw and and he just asked this guy you

2525
01:54:40,130 --> 01:54:37,770
know look just give me something that

2526
01:54:41,390 --> 01:54:40,140
you know really well I don't even want

2527
01:54:43,130 --> 01:54:41,400
to know what it is just just give me

2528
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:43,140
something and I'll give it to them and

2529
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:44,610
we'll see what they can come up with and

2530
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:46,050
the guy comes back and says well they're

2531
01:54:49,160 --> 01:54:47,820
never gonna guess what this is you know

2532
01:54:52,070 --> 01:54:49,170
so kit

2533
01:54:55,550 --> 01:54:52,080
passes on the coordinates and and at the

2534
01:54:57,460 --> 01:54:55,560
time they had just heard from a remote

2535
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:57,470
viewer by the name of Pat price

2536
01:55:01,730 --> 01:54:59,520
now Pat price was a Burbank Police

2537
01:55:05,960 --> 01:55:01,740
Commissioner in your your hometown yep

2538
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:05,970
you know he was known as a man who could

2539
01:55:09,950 --> 01:55:08,400
find things for the other detectives you

2540
01:55:11,330 --> 01:55:09,960
know he was he would often use his

2541
01:55:13,700 --> 01:55:11,340
intuition to help the other detectives

2542
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:13,710
on cases and and he'd heard about SR I

2543
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,210
mean they had at that point published

2544
01:55:18,710 --> 01:55:17,280
the nature magazine and you know thing

2545
01:55:20,540 --> 01:55:18,720
and and they'd had a little bit of

2546
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:20,550
publicity in the public realm so he had

2547
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:22,650
reached out to be a subject and and the

2548
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:24,090
very first thing he was tasked with was

2549
01:55:27,710 --> 01:55:26,730
Sugar Grove Hal just said okay well you

2550
01:55:29,390 --> 01:55:27,720
know we'll see how he does with

2551
01:55:31,850 --> 01:55:29,400
coordinate remote viewing and they also

2552
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:31,860
gave it to their very known remote

2553
01:55:35,450 --> 01:55:33,930
viewer and very accurate movie or Ingo

2554
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:35,460
Swann who was the father of remote

2555
01:55:40,670 --> 01:55:39,330
viewing really and basically both of

2556
01:55:43,610 --> 01:55:40,680
them came back with very similar

2557
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:43,620
descriptions of missile silos

2558
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:47,610
underground you know facility guard or

2559
01:55:51,500 --> 01:55:50,130
yeah guard towers aluminum doors that

2560
01:55:52,970 --> 01:55:51,510
roll up I mean all of this stuff it's

2561
01:55:54,590 --> 01:55:52,980
right in the transcript and what's

2562
01:55:56,330 --> 01:55:54,600
really interesting is that the way they

2563
01:55:58,430 --> 01:55:56,340
both did it you can actually read the

2564
01:56:00,890 --> 01:55:58,440
raw transcripts it's it's like Google

2565
01:56:02,570 --> 01:56:00,900
Earth you know they like Pat price

2566
01:56:04,220 --> 01:56:02,580
describes it as okay so I'm starting off

2567
01:56:07,730 --> 01:56:04,230
at about 5,000 feet

2568
01:56:10,190 --> 01:56:07,740
I see Forrest I see trees I see I see

2569
01:56:12,350 --> 01:56:10,200
you know roads there's a city off to the

2570
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:12,360
left there's like an old Civil War

2571
01:56:16,670 --> 01:56:14,850
battlefield over here you know there's a

2572
01:56:18,650 --> 01:56:16,680
statue you know but I'm gonna zoom down

2573
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:18,660
now and and then now I'm looking at a

2574
01:56:23,390 --> 01:56:20,730
facility you know here's this you know

2575
01:56:25,460 --> 01:56:23,400
army jeeps and accordion doors now I'm

2576
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:25,470
zooming down into the underground levels

2577
01:56:28,370 --> 01:56:26,370
of this facility

2578
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,380
look there's a room with file cabinets

2579
01:56:31,850 --> 01:56:29,760
I'm gonna stick my head in the filing

2580
01:56:34,610 --> 01:56:31,860
cabinet and see what I see I see names

2581
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:34,620
you know top secret you know

2582
01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:36,930
hey hey Fork okay we're gonna we're

2583
01:56:41,420 --> 01:56:39,510
gonna come back to that part after the

2584
01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:41,430
break we we've got to build this up a

2585
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:44,250
little bit Lance but there because it's

2586
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:47,280
it's extraordinary but there but the

2587
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:51,810
letdown was they came back with after

2588
01:56:56,300 --> 01:56:53,730
looking at all of these details and

2589
01:56:59,900 --> 01:56:56,310
everything somebody said I gave you the

2590
01:57:02,030 --> 01:56:59,910
coordinates to my log cabin that's right

2591
01:57:03,890 --> 01:57:02,040
that's right you know kit gets all this

2592
01:57:06,260 --> 01:57:03,900
back in in the mail through an open

2593
01:57:07,550 --> 01:57:06,270
channel and and he gives it to his buddy

2594
01:57:09,140 --> 01:57:07,560
his buddy just says I don't know this is

2595
01:57:10,910 --> 01:57:09,150
much gibberish you know like this is

2596
01:57:14,510 --> 01:57:10,920
that's nothing I gave you the Gordon

2597
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:14,520
to my cabin out in the woods and and so

2598
01:57:17,870 --> 01:57:16,050
kit basically thought the whole thing

2599
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:17,880
was a bust at that point that's right it

2600
01:57:22,580 --> 01:57:20,010
was a failed experiment in which I had

2601
01:57:26,630 --> 01:57:22,590
said earlier which is the extraordinary

2602
01:57:29,630 --> 01:57:26,640
part of this entire Sugar Grove case in

2603
01:57:31,460 --> 01:57:29,640
that they do all the testing it comes

2604
01:57:33,070 --> 01:57:31,470
back if they find out that the

2605
01:57:37,780 --> 01:57:33,080
coordinates are actually of a log cabin

2606
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:37,790
where Pat and and Ingo did this

2607
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:41,850
incredible layout overhead topographical

2608
01:57:45,890 --> 01:57:44,610
map and layout where they described all

2609
01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:45,900
of these buildings and everything else

2610
01:57:50,630 --> 01:57:48,360
and raid our dishes and it turns out

2611
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,640
it's supposed to be a log cabin at that

2612
01:57:55,610 --> 01:57:52,560
point was kit ready to pull up stakes

2613
01:57:56,990 --> 01:57:55,620
and fold up the camp he was because he

2614
01:58:00,140 --> 01:57:57,000
figured this was completely unreliable

2615
01:58:02,300 --> 01:58:00,150
these guys had been touted as SSRIs you

2616
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:02,310
know best heavy hitters you know he

2617
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:03,570
thought that they were really kind of

2618
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:05,370
onto something he knew that they had

2619
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:06,570
done some really great earlier

2620
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:07,770
experiments this wasn't the first

2621
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:10,410
experiment he'd taken place with but but

2622
01:58:13,490 --> 01:58:11,370
the fact that they got it so wrong

2623
01:58:15,140 --> 01:58:13,500
basically made him say yeah you know

2624
01:58:16,610 --> 01:58:15,150
maybe maybe there's just nothing to this

2625
01:58:20,810 --> 01:58:16,620
I don't know I don't know why it didn't

2626
01:58:23,060 --> 01:58:20,820
work but what struck him was that both

2627
01:58:26,180 --> 01:58:23,070
of them got exactly the wrong

2628
01:58:27,980 --> 01:58:26,190
information they drew the same thing and

2629
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:27,990
we'll take a break right here our guest

2630
01:58:30,530 --> 01:58:28,320
tonight

2631
01:58:32,630 --> 01:58:30,540
Landsman geo we're talking about his new

2632
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2633
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iTunes you go to third eye spies dot-com

2635
01:58:43,020 --> 01:58:40,740
I'm Yours jimmy church this is fade to

2636
01:58:43,550 --> 01:58:43,030
black we'll be right back stay with us

2637
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02:00:01,850 --> 01:59:58,780
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2668
02:00:09,060 --> 02:00:04,300
your contact for current news and

2669
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trending topics je GRA radio.com does

2670
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your basement or crawlspace have a damp

2671
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musty smell well watch out that's a sign

2672
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of too much moisture and not enough

2673
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ventilation and that can mean increased

2674
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mold growth and the build-up of harmful

2675
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toxins and gases don't bother with a

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unhealthy air now there's a better way

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calm

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2695
02:01:08,709 --> 02:01:05,250
all solutions

2696
02:01:14,450 --> 02:01:11,149
this is Jimmy Church a fade to black

2697
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2722
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2725
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2726
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2735
02:02:56,430 --> 02:02:48,570
to me Jimmy Church on any phone anytime

2736
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:58,140
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2737
02:03:02,610 --> 02:03:00,480
[Applause]

2738
02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:02,620
you wanna know a secret

2739
02:03:07,590 --> 02:03:06,880
I love ponies I really love ponies I'm

2740
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:07,600
serious

2741
02:03:13,340 --> 02:03:10,450
I couldn't stay sane without poor mr.

2742
02:03:19,570 --> 02:03:13,350
Brooks I fade to black

2743
02:03:23,570 --> 02:03:21,440
this is fade to black

2744
02:03:27,260 --> 02:03:23,580
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2745
02:03:29,650 --> 02:03:27,270
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2746
02:03:41,660 --> 02:03:29,660
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02:03:43,770 --> 02:03:41,670
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2748
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:43,780
welcome back fade to black

2749
02:03:49,260 --> 02:03:47,410
I guess tonight Lance mu Jia we're

2750
02:03:51,510 --> 02:03:49,270
talking about his new film it is called

2751
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:51,520
third eye spies it is available on

2752
02:03:55,530 --> 02:03:52,930
Amazon and iTunes

2753
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:55,540
tomorrow night's rizz Burke is here

2754
02:03:59,790 --> 02:03:57,370
we're gonna talk about his new book the

2755
02:04:03,030 --> 02:03:59,800
simulation hypothesis and Wednesday

2756
02:04:06,620 --> 02:04:03,040
night is JJ and Desiree her talk and

2757
02:04:11,790 --> 02:04:06,630
we'll be talking about Giza now Lance

2758
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:11,800
continuing the sugar grove story it's

2759
02:04:20,580 --> 02:04:15,810
the one thing that KITT was kick Green

2760
02:04:27,260 --> 02:04:20,590
was I guess I guess the word well

2761
02:04:30,030 --> 02:04:27,270
surprised I think is it where Ingo I had

2762
02:04:34,350 --> 02:04:30,040
I'm sorry I'm brain freezing right now

2763
02:04:38,550 --> 02:04:34,360
that's okay Pat price yes I had drawn

2764
02:04:42,210 --> 02:04:38,560
the same map and had described the same

2765
02:04:43,590 --> 02:04:42,220
things what happens next well first of

2766
02:04:45,900 --> 02:04:43,600
all let me just remind everybody

2767
02:04:47,370 --> 02:04:45,910
listening to this that they weren't

2768
02:04:48,990 --> 02:04:47,380
together it's not like they could cheat

2769
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:49,000
and look off each other's papers and

2770
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:50,800
that kind of a thing they actually you

2771
02:04:54,780 --> 02:04:53,410
know we're in done separately you know

2772
02:04:59,250 --> 02:04:54,790
they were interviewed separately for

2773
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:59,260
this and basically Russell just sort of

2774
02:05:02,460 --> 02:05:01,360
pointed that out to kit you know he said

2775
02:05:04,290 --> 02:05:02,470
you know it's interesting that both of

2776
02:05:05,790 --> 02:05:04,300
these guys got the same thing and kit

2777
02:05:08,340 --> 02:05:05,800
said yeah that is that is interesting

2778
02:05:10,440 --> 02:05:08,350
and and so he decided to sort of take a

2779
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:10,450
weekend trip out to his buddy's cabin

2780
02:05:14,700 --> 02:05:11,650
you know and take his family out there

2781
02:05:17,250 --> 02:05:14,710
and as he was getting out there to this

2782
02:05:18,870 --> 02:05:17,260
cabin he sort of noticed that there's

2783
02:05:22,530 --> 02:05:18,880
this giant radar dish out in the

2784
02:05:25,290 --> 02:05:22,540
distance and you know what's that and so

2785
02:05:27,390 --> 02:05:25,300
he decides to you know drive over there

2786
02:05:29,580 --> 02:05:27,400
to this sort of facility and he sees a

2787
02:05:31,740 --> 02:05:29,590
guard tower and behind the guard tower

2788
02:05:34,470 --> 02:05:31,750
he sees you know a little big aluminum

2789
02:05:37,620 --> 02:05:34,480
doors you know they rolled up with jeeps

2790
02:05:39,450 --> 02:05:37,630
and stuff like that and he sees all of

2791
02:05:40,110 --> 02:05:39,460
this crazy stuff and and then he goes

2792
02:05:42,690 --> 02:05:40,120
okay

2793
02:05:44,610 --> 02:05:42,700
well you know maybe there's something to

2794
02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:44,620
this let me just send all of this

2795
02:05:48,510 --> 02:05:47,230
information to I'll find out whose

2796
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:48,520
facility this is and then I'll just

2797
02:05:51,899 --> 02:05:49,690
sentim the information turns out it was

2798
02:05:54,330 --> 02:05:51,909
NSA so he turns so he's

2799
02:05:59,489 --> 02:05:54,340
since that stuff to NSA next thing you

2800
02:06:02,489 --> 02:05:59,499
know and I say FBI his superiors CIA are

2801
02:06:05,850 --> 02:06:02,499
in his office in Virginia saying what

2802
02:06:08,040 --> 02:06:05,860
the heck are you doing spying on the NSA

2803
02:06:09,689 --> 02:06:08,050
with psychics in California and yet he's

2804
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:09,699
like wait wait whoa whoa we got to talk

2805
02:06:14,250 --> 02:06:12,010
to them and and so they basically pulled

2806
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:14,260
Russell and Helen kind of like going

2807
02:06:17,370 --> 02:06:16,090
into the principal's office and it's

2808
02:06:20,580 --> 02:06:17,380
like you guys have been naughty what are

2809
02:06:22,529 --> 02:06:20,590
you doing and you know that was

2810
02:06:24,659 --> 02:06:22,539
basically the beginning where Russell

2811
02:06:27,020 --> 02:06:24,669
and Al basically said well you know we

2812
02:06:29,879 --> 02:06:27,030
can keep doing this if you want and and

2813
02:06:34,049 --> 02:06:29,889
well they had to say look you guys

2814
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:34,059
wanted proof you give us coordinates we

2815
02:06:38,989 --> 02:06:35,679
don't know what the coordinates are we

2816
02:06:43,350 --> 02:06:38,999
saw what we saw we didn't know this is a

2817
02:06:46,199 --> 02:06:43,360
completely top secret NSA facility that

2818
02:06:48,449 --> 02:06:46,209
nobody knows about in a location that

2819
02:06:52,679 --> 02:06:48,459
doesn't even have radio transmissions in

2820
02:06:55,529 --> 02:06:52,689
it and we found the location what more

2821
02:06:57,149 --> 02:06:55,539
proof do you need well this is actually

2822
02:06:59,279 --> 02:06:57,159
everything we've set up to this point is

2823
02:07:02,850 --> 02:06:59,289
just set up because that all of that

2824
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:02,860
wasn't really what got the CIA no no no

2825
02:07:09,149 --> 02:07:04,090
no okay

2826
02:07:11,609 --> 02:07:09,159
it was operation pool cue right Pat

2827
02:07:14,189 --> 02:07:11,619
price claims that he's psychically stuck

2828
02:07:17,339 --> 02:07:14,199
his head inside filing cabinets buried

2829
02:07:20,009 --> 02:07:17,349
four floors down and he and some names

2830
02:07:22,379 --> 02:07:20,019
just popped into his head and so he

2831
02:07:23,370 --> 02:07:22,389
wrote them down operation you know hey

2832
02:07:26,429 --> 02:07:23,380
Fork

2833
02:07:28,350 --> 02:07:26,439
you know pool cue you know wrack up all

2834
02:07:33,020 --> 02:07:28,360
of these different pool names and it

2835
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:33,030
turns out that these were all classified

2836
02:07:38,759 --> 02:07:36,159
special access projects the names were

2837
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:38,769
classified nobody was supposed to know

2838
02:07:44,189 --> 02:07:41,050
that information and yet Pat price

2839
02:07:46,469 --> 02:07:44,199
pulled it out of thin air and that is

2840
02:07:49,409 --> 02:07:46,479
the thing that freaked everybody out

2841
02:07:52,529 --> 02:07:49,419
because now it's not about looking at a

2842
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:52,539
house or a building or troops or

2843
02:07:58,679 --> 02:07:56,169
missiles but you can actually read

2844
02:08:01,469 --> 02:07:58,689
what's on a piece of paper that's right

2845
02:08:03,190 --> 02:08:01,479
and and now traditionally reading is

2846
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:03,200
sort of the hardest thing that the

2847
02:08:08,890 --> 02:08:05,450
a remote viewer can do it's very hard to

2848
02:08:10,630 --> 02:08:08,900
get analytically logical information but

2849
02:08:12,490 --> 02:08:10,640
Pat price could do that so he was sort

2850
02:08:16,450 --> 02:08:12,500
of one in the million or maybe even more

2851
02:08:18,130 --> 02:08:16,460
than a million and and this just

2852
02:08:20,290 --> 02:08:18,140
basically stunned the entire

2853
02:08:22,090 --> 02:08:20,300
intelligence community and eyes talked

2854
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:22,100
to Ken kress at length about this that

2855
02:08:26,710 --> 02:08:24,320
you know he and everybody else at CIA

2856
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:26,720
was sort of stunned that anybody could

2857
02:08:30,010 --> 02:08:28,130
pull up this information because what it

2858
02:08:32,410 --> 02:08:30,020
means is there's this massive security

2859
02:08:36,370 --> 02:08:32,420
hole that nobody is even thinking about

2860
02:08:38,170 --> 02:08:36,380
nobody's safe right nobody died well

2861
02:08:40,420 --> 02:08:38,180
it's one thing to think about the

2862
02:08:42,640 --> 02:08:40,430
Russians and air were the Chinese and

2863
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:42,650
how they would freak out about this but

2864
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:44,480
that means even here in the United

2865
02:08:47,700 --> 02:08:45,440
States

2866
02:08:50,110 --> 02:08:47,710
there isn't anything private anymore

2867
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:50,120
well there's already nothing private

2868
02:08:54,250 --> 02:08:52,610
anymore anyway just because you know the

2869
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:54,260
if they really wanted to I'm sure they

2870
02:08:57,490 --> 02:08:55,730
could be listening to your phone

2871
02:08:59,140 --> 02:08:57,500
conversations they could be you know

2872
02:09:01,510 --> 02:08:59,150
doing all kinds of things but this is an

2873
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:01,520
asset that goes much deeper than even

2874
02:09:06,850 --> 02:09:04,490
that because you you'd literally have no

2875
02:09:08,380 --> 02:09:06,860
hiding place from this and actually a

2876
02:09:10,750 --> 02:09:08,390
lot of the work that was done in

2877
02:09:12,940 --> 02:09:10,760
government later much later in the army

2878
02:09:14,820 --> 02:09:12,950
was counterintelligence trying to figure

2879
02:09:18,850 --> 02:09:14,830
out how you stopped something like this

2880
02:09:21,250 --> 02:09:18,860
what does this do to Pat price I mean

2881
02:09:24,940 --> 02:09:21,260
ultimately we know that it cost him his

2882
02:09:26,590 --> 02:09:24,950
life but at this stage of the game what

2883
02:09:29,140 --> 02:09:26,600
did it do to Pat price and how were they

2884
02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:29,150
looking at him well first of all I want

2885
02:09:32,890 --> 02:09:31,010
to say that I think Pat price just based

2886
02:09:34,750 --> 02:09:32,900
upon all of the the anecdotal evidence

2887
02:09:36,340 --> 02:09:34,760
and the review the interviews from

2888
02:09:37,900 --> 02:09:36,350
different people that knew him I think

2889
02:09:40,540 --> 02:09:37,910
he really did consider himself sort of a

2890
02:09:41,590 --> 02:09:40,550
patriot you know he was a police officer

2891
02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:41,600
I mean you know police officers

2892
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:43,370
generally have a sense of honor and

2893
02:09:47,260 --> 02:09:45,890
responsibility and so I think that that

2894
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:47,270
Pat took what he was doing very

2895
02:09:53,380 --> 02:09:49,730
seriously and and I think he was you

2896
02:09:56,110 --> 02:09:53,390
know just super thrilled to be sort of

2897
02:09:59,740 --> 02:09:56,120
all of the sudden the darling of both sr

2898
02:10:02,590 --> 02:09:59,750
i-- and CI a and but the problem is and

2899
02:10:05,800 --> 02:10:02,600
I got this directly from from Ken that

2900
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:05,810
CIA never trusted s RI CIA doesn't ever

2901
02:10:11,050 --> 02:10:07,610
really trust anybody I don't think and

2902
02:10:14,110 --> 02:10:11,060
and so they were always sort of

2903
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:14,120
suspicious that somehow they were still

2904
02:10:16,719 --> 02:10:16,010
being duped they didn't know I mean

2905
02:10:17,949 --> 02:10:16,729
could this guy be

2906
02:10:20,169 --> 02:10:17,959
you know have inside information from

2907
02:10:21,969 --> 02:10:20,179
NSA and and even I actually asked that

2908
02:10:24,069 --> 02:10:21,979
question and and and I actually did some

2909
02:10:26,379 --> 02:10:24,079
research just to make sure that those

2910
02:10:28,750 --> 02:10:26,389
projects were special access projects

2911
02:10:30,040 --> 02:10:28,760
that were contemporary and and not old

2912
02:10:32,339 --> 02:10:30,050
that somebody could have just pulled out

2913
02:10:34,959 --> 02:10:32,349
of a hat and you know given to him as

2914
02:10:38,620 --> 02:10:34,969
secondhand information you know but it

2915
02:10:40,959 --> 02:10:38,630
was so puzzling to them and and you know

2916
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:40,969
they may have trusted how a little more

2917
02:10:46,379 --> 02:10:42,170
than they trusted Russell because

2918
02:10:49,239 --> 02:10:46,389
Russell was at his heart a true

2919
02:10:51,580 --> 02:10:49,249
scientist in the best sense in that he

2920
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:51,590
really wanted to publish this stuff and

2921
02:10:55,689 --> 02:10:53,690
and Hal was a real scientist as well I

2922
02:10:58,120 --> 02:10:55,699
mean every bit as much as Russell but

2923
02:11:01,270 --> 02:10:58,130
how had been involved with intelligence

2924
02:11:03,819 --> 02:11:01,280
for a long time he had been in naval

2925
02:11:06,219 --> 02:11:03,829
intelligence and you know so so he was

2926
02:11:08,879 --> 02:11:06,229
more of a career intelligence guy than

2927
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:08,889
then Russell was and and I think that

2928
02:11:12,609 --> 02:11:11,209
can't even set blatantly he said you

2929
02:11:14,500 --> 02:11:12,619
know we didn't really trust Russell you

2930
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:14,510
know we didn't know if I mean he had all

2931
02:11:17,290 --> 02:11:16,010
of the clearances there was no official

2932
02:11:19,529 --> 02:11:17,300
reason not to trust him but when you're

2933
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:19,539
talking about something so incredible as

2934
02:11:25,449 --> 02:11:22,249
being able to read documents on an on a

2935
02:11:27,939 --> 02:11:25,459
you know NSA agents desk or locked away

2936
02:11:31,209 --> 02:11:27,949
in a filing cabinet you know you have to

2937
02:11:33,100 --> 02:11:31,219
look at every option and and so you know

2938
02:11:35,919 --> 02:11:33,110
on the one hand they started funding

2939
02:11:38,350 --> 02:11:35,929
SSRI and on the other hand CIA started

2940
02:11:42,549 --> 02:11:38,360
to look at them very suspiciously Dean

2941
02:11:45,069 --> 02:11:42,559
Radin on this show and also I believe he

2942
02:11:47,699 --> 02:11:45,079
he talks about this a little bit in the

2943
02:11:51,009 --> 02:11:47,709
documentary and that he was always

2944
02:11:56,049 --> 02:11:51,019
fascinated with magic and deception

2945
02:12:01,239 --> 02:11:56,059
that's right and so the when you get

2946
02:12:04,180 --> 02:12:01,249
into ESP and parapsychology and PK and

2947
02:12:06,759 --> 02:12:04,190
certainly remote viewing that when

2948
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:06,769
you're coming at it from the NSA or the

2949
02:12:13,899 --> 02:12:09,610
CIA or the DIA and them coming back in

2950
02:12:15,399 --> 02:12:13,909
they have to be aware of that there

2951
02:12:18,129 --> 02:12:15,409
could be some deception here

2952
02:12:19,899 --> 02:12:18,139
intentionally for a lot of different

2953
02:12:23,529 --> 02:12:19,909
reasons one of them could be monetary

2954
02:12:25,719 --> 02:12:23,539
gain right sure or or planting a Soviet

2955
02:12:27,220 --> 02:12:25,729
agent within their their ranks the con

2956
02:12:29,590 --> 02:12:27,230
right the long

2957
02:12:31,870 --> 02:12:29,600
play right and that's really what

2958
02:12:33,160 --> 02:12:31,880
ultimately is going on here and then

2959
02:12:36,250 --> 02:12:33,170
when you have somebody like Dean Radin

2960
02:12:39,400 --> 02:12:36,260
who is a magician and a good one right

2961
02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:39,410
well he would know how to it's not what

2962
02:12:43,450 --> 02:12:41,360
Dean is about I'm not suggesting that

2963
02:12:48,340 --> 02:12:43,460
but it's exactly what they were

2964
02:12:51,060 --> 02:12:48,350
suspicious of which is being played and

2965
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:51,070
that this was just something elaborate

2966
02:12:57,280 --> 02:12:55,210
to get one over on the agencies

2967
02:12:59,680 --> 02:12:57,290
absolutely and and you know the CIA

2968
02:13:01,420 --> 02:12:59,690
actually employed magicians you know

2969
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:01,430
like there there were undercover they

2970
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:04,850
did it all the time they had to do the

2971
02:13:10,330 --> 02:13:08,690
exact same thing to the Soviets or to to

2972
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:10,340
Germany in World War two

2973
02:13:14,770 --> 02:13:12,290
it was sleight of hand and they had to

2974
02:13:17,650 --> 02:13:14,780
do it all the time yeah and and and they

2975
02:13:20,140 --> 02:13:17,660
they you know and in Russell by the way

2976
02:13:22,240 --> 02:13:20,150
was a child magician who did mental

2977
02:13:24,940 --> 02:13:22,250
magic on the stage and and that led him

2978
02:13:26,200 --> 02:13:24,950
to realize when he would do metal and

2979
02:13:27,490 --> 02:13:26,210
magic on a stage sometimes he would

2980
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:27,500
guess things that turned out to be

2981
02:13:31,690 --> 02:13:29,290
scarily accurate that was his first

2982
02:13:33,850 --> 02:13:31,700
experience with the ESPE and and i think

2983
02:13:36,370 --> 02:13:33,860
that the fact that somebody like Dean or

2984
02:13:38,170 --> 02:13:36,380
Russell or someone like that obviously

2985
02:13:39,820 --> 02:13:38,180
is attracted to magic because magic is

2986
02:13:42,040 --> 02:13:39,830
about the mysterious and what we don't

2987
02:13:44,020 --> 02:13:42,050
understand but it also makes them really

2988
02:13:45,550 --> 02:13:44,030
good researchers because it allows them

2989
02:13:47,860 --> 02:13:45,560
to understand how they can be tricked

2990
02:13:49,390 --> 02:13:47,870
and and you can do a lot of things and I

2991
02:13:51,340 --> 02:13:49,400
know the techniques I know about cold

2992
02:13:52,510 --> 02:13:51,350
readings I know you can you know you can

2993
02:13:54,700 --> 02:13:52,520
sort of throw out some general

2994
02:13:56,380 --> 02:13:54,710
statements and watch body language if

2995
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:56,390
you're doing remote viewing and somebody

2996
02:14:00,970 --> 02:13:58,010
across the room is writing something you

2997
02:14:03,130 --> 02:14:00,980
could maybe be an expert in handwriting

2998
02:14:05,260 --> 02:14:03,140
or how they are able to pen this and

2999
02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:05,270
then wind up copying what they're

3000
02:14:08,710 --> 02:14:07,130
writing you know so they took all of

3001
02:14:10,180 --> 02:14:08,720
these things into account you know they

3002
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:10,190
weren't they weren't foolish about the

3003
02:14:13,630 --> 02:14:11,690
way they were doing any of this stuff it

3004
02:14:17,110 --> 02:14:13,640
was a completely legitimate scientific

3005
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:17,120
lab and and I think that that that

3006
02:14:20,620 --> 02:14:18,800
actually that you know the experience of

3007
02:14:22,750 --> 02:14:20,630
magic you know another interesting thing

3008
02:14:26,260 --> 02:14:22,760
about magic is that a lot of times

3009
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:26,270
people who are doing really SP work

3010
02:14:31,150 --> 02:14:29,360
it's about belief and and sometimes I

3011
02:14:32,650 --> 02:14:31,160
think even going back to studying you

3012
02:14:34,090 --> 02:14:32,660
know the shamans and the ancient

3013
02:14:36,340 --> 02:14:34,100
cultures and stuff you'd have them the

3014
02:14:38,229 --> 02:14:36,350
mystic who would sort of augment

3015
02:14:40,490 --> 02:14:38,239
whatever he was trying to do with

3016
02:14:42,650 --> 02:14:40,500
psychic abilities with practical

3017
02:14:44,540 --> 02:14:42,660
you no gunpowder or something going off

3018
02:14:46,490 --> 02:14:44,550
because the belief in his audience

3019
02:14:48,050 --> 02:14:46,500
actually somehow made whatever he was

3020
02:14:50,180 --> 02:14:48,060
doing more powerful that's what they

3021
02:14:53,720 --> 02:14:50,190
believe anyway and and so did Pat price

3022
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:53,730
and and Pat with all the success that he

3023
02:15:00,290 --> 02:14:57,840
had at SR I he leaves us RI because he

3024
02:15:03,650 --> 02:15:00,300
gets hired by the CIA and it's his dream

3025
02:15:05,570 --> 02:15:03,660
gig he's a happy guy right well yeah you

3026
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:05,580
know in a sense because what happened

3027
02:15:13,340 --> 02:15:10,560
was CIA was very much shaken by what Pat

3028
02:15:15,290 --> 02:15:13,350
price had done and they did a few more

3029
02:15:17,330 --> 02:15:15,300
things directly with s RI and then

3030
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:17,340
basically internally CIA had a

3031
02:15:21,110 --> 02:15:19,770
conversation that went something like we

3032
02:15:22,820 --> 02:15:21,120
can't trust these guys

3033
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:22,830
we can't monitor them all the way out in

3034
02:15:27,200 --> 02:15:25,290
California so basically let's just shut

3035
02:15:30,470 --> 02:15:27,210
down the contract and let's take their

3036
02:15:32,690 --> 02:15:30,480
best guy and sequester him you know so

3037
02:15:35,180 --> 02:15:32,700
they basically ended the esri contract

3038
02:15:37,850 --> 02:15:35,190
this was still in the 70s and and then

3039
02:15:41,110 --> 02:15:37,860
they basically took Pat price put him on

3040
02:15:42,290 --> 02:15:41,120
a farm in Virginia and monitored him

3041
02:15:44,450 --> 02:15:42,300
24/7

3042
02:15:46,220 --> 02:15:44,460
and Russell went out there to visit him

3043
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:46,230
and he had like you know guards off in

3044
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:48,480
the periphery watching what he was doing

3045
02:15:53,300 --> 02:15:50,880
you know this guy was doing daily work

3046
02:15:55,760 --> 02:15:53,310
for CIA in Virginia and I have the

3047
02:15:57,950 --> 02:15:55,770
newspaper article that announced that he

3048
02:16:01,160 --> 02:15:57,960
was moving to Virginia to become a coal

3049
02:16:02,750 --> 02:16:01,170
mine manager at some ranch and he was

3050
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:02,760
gonna oversee the farm and the in the

3051
02:16:08,060 --> 02:16:04,410
coal mines and stuff it was all a cover

3052
02:16:10,940 --> 02:16:08,070
you know positioned by CIA and from

3053
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:10,950
there he became a sauce spiking spy for

3054
02:16:18,729 --> 02:16:16,159
CIA and that was it so what

3055
02:16:23,529 --> 02:16:18,739
yeah let's go ahead and disclose it what

3056
02:16:26,259 --> 02:16:23,539
was it that that last project that might

3057
02:16:29,939 --> 02:16:26,269
have gotten him into some trouble well

3058
02:16:31,449 --> 02:16:29,949
you know so basically what happened was

3059
02:16:33,849 --> 02:16:31,459
Ken kress

3060
02:16:36,969 --> 02:16:33,859
had also been sending out CIA agents to

3061
02:16:38,889 --> 02:16:36,979
s RI under the guise of monitoring and

3062
02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:38,899
and with the real goal of training how

3063
02:16:43,479 --> 02:16:41,449
to do remote viewing and those people

3064
02:16:45,700 --> 02:16:43,489
there were at least two of them went

3065
02:16:47,410 --> 02:16:45,710
back to CIA and had started sort of

3066
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:47,420
informally doing remote viewings

3067
02:16:51,609 --> 02:16:50,000
directly within CIA and and Ken was very

3068
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:51,619
surprised to find that they were getting

3069
02:16:55,660 --> 02:16:53,840
really good results and that they had

3070
02:16:59,649 --> 02:16:55,670
sort of pinpointed some things that CIA

3071
02:17:02,740 --> 02:16:59,659
wanted to know and Pat was given harder

3072
02:17:05,709 --> 02:17:02,750
and harder tasks within CIA at this

3073
02:17:07,660 --> 02:17:05,719
point nothing to do with s RI you know

3074
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:07,670
as kind of a demonstration of ability

3075
02:17:11,500 --> 02:17:08,719
because they were really trying to

3076
02:17:13,299 --> 02:17:11,510
figure out if he was for real and what

3077
02:17:16,509 --> 02:17:13,309
the final one was he was asked to look

3078
02:17:17,979 --> 02:17:16,519
at a Libyan embassy and and determine

3079
02:17:20,410 --> 02:17:17,989
where the code room within the embassy

3080
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:20,420
was and we don't know if he actually

3081
02:17:28,540 --> 02:17:26,740
determined where the code room was and

3082
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:28,550
there was an actual real team of CIA

3083
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:30,290
agents that had actually had to break

3084
02:17:35,500 --> 02:17:32,960
into that facility and were intimately

3085
02:17:37,089 --> 02:17:35,510
familiar with details from it Pat got

3086
02:17:39,070 --> 02:17:37,099
all of those details and then out

3087
02:17:41,559 --> 02:17:39,080
matched them with the information that

3088
02:17:44,229 --> 02:17:41,569
he gathered in that facility and then he

3089
02:17:46,149 --> 02:17:44,239
comes back with information about what

3090
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:46,159
the Libyans are doing in a certain part

3091
02:17:50,379 --> 02:17:48,800
of their desert with a terrorist

3092
02:17:53,439 --> 02:17:50,389
training camp and people speaking

3093
02:17:55,839 --> 02:17:53,449
Chinese and other languages and CIA knew

3094
02:17:57,219 --> 02:17:55,849
nothing about this and and then they

3095
02:17:58,689 --> 02:17:57,229
said okay well you know point the

3096
02:18:00,580 --> 02:17:58,699
satellite in the Libyan desert where he

3097
02:18:01,899 --> 02:18:00,590
says to look you know let's look to talk

3098
02:18:03,490 --> 02:18:01,909
to some of the other human agents that

3099
02:18:05,019 --> 02:18:03,500
we have wandering around is there any

3100
02:18:08,379 --> 02:18:05,029
validity to this and then all the

3101
02:18:09,759 --> 02:18:08,389
information came back yes and there

3102
02:18:12,639 --> 02:18:09,769
really was a terrorist camp exactly

3103
02:18:14,559 --> 02:18:12,649
where he said and four months later you

3104
02:18:15,969 --> 02:18:14,569
know Pat price actually I think it was

3105
02:18:17,049 --> 02:18:15,979
four months I think he's entire time

3106
02:18:20,700 --> 02:18:17,059
there was four months I think it was

3107
02:18:24,060 --> 02:18:20,710
days later Pat price was dead

3108
02:18:27,290 --> 02:18:24,070
and how this is what I find really

3109
02:18:32,150 --> 02:18:27,300
interesting how did he die

3110
02:18:34,799 --> 02:18:32,160
that is a big subject of debate because

3111
02:18:36,060 --> 02:18:34,809
he did have a heart condition he could

3112
02:18:39,660 --> 02:18:36,070
have just died of a heart attack you

3113
02:18:42,530 --> 02:18:39,670
know and he claims he claimed as you

3114
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:42,540
know this was happening that he was

3115
02:18:45,930 --> 02:18:44,590
suffering from food poisoning or some

3116
02:18:49,919 --> 02:18:45,940
kind of a poisoning he felt he'd been

3117
02:18:51,780 --> 02:18:49,929
poisoned some people think the Russians

3118
02:18:53,430 --> 02:18:51,790
killed him you know other people think

3119
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:53,440
he died of a heart attack some people

3120
02:18:58,259 --> 02:18:55,210
think the CIA killed him you know we

3121
02:19:02,270 --> 02:18:58,269
don't know and this is where it gets

3122
02:19:05,070 --> 02:19:02,280
really good what happened to his body

3123
02:19:07,350 --> 02:19:05,080
you paid close attention to this man

3124
02:19:11,640 --> 02:19:07,360
this is the most fascinating and see

3125
02:19:15,900 --> 02:19:11,650
this is Lance I'm not blowing smoke the

3126
02:19:18,360 --> 02:19:15,910
film does not hold back okay you lay it

3127
02:19:21,089 --> 02:19:18,370
all out there there's no teaser material

3128
02:19:23,940 --> 02:19:21,099
here for somebody that is not only

3129
02:19:25,530 --> 02:19:23,950
interested in this subject but that may

3130
02:19:27,180 --> 02:19:25,540
want to know what really goes on in

3131
02:19:30,049 --> 02:19:27,190
Washington know the three-letter

3132
02:19:33,209 --> 02:19:30,059
agencies with real people that

3133
02:19:35,160 --> 02:19:33,219
everything is presented here right and

3134
02:19:37,620 --> 02:19:35,170
you do a really good job of that that

3135
02:19:40,259 --> 02:19:37,630
being said what happened to his body

3136
02:19:41,430 --> 02:19:40,269
lands well first of all I think that

3137
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:41,440
that's still in contention

3138
02:19:48,450 --> 02:19:46,510
but according to kit Greene basically

3139
02:19:53,940 --> 02:19:48,460
his body was taken to a hospital in Las

3140
02:19:59,880 --> 02:19:53,950
Vegas and was cremated before they even

3141
02:20:01,800 --> 02:19:59,890
notified his wife that he had died you

3142
02:20:04,890 --> 02:20:01,810
know and the question for that would be

3143
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:04,900
why also and I want your answer to that

3144
02:20:09,690 --> 02:20:06,970
kid Green says something else he said

3145
02:20:12,330 --> 02:20:09,700
you know it's it's natural causes you

3146
02:20:14,370 --> 02:20:12,340
don't need you don't need anything well

3147
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:14,380
yeah I mean I think that kit admits that

3148
02:20:17,550 --> 02:20:15,370
that that would have been highly

3149
02:20:20,010 --> 02:20:17,560
irregular but that's also not

3150
02:20:22,590 --> 02:20:20,020
necessarily what happened because

3151
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,600
there's differing stories about how Pat

3152
02:20:28,320 --> 02:20:24,880
price died Russell remembers seeing Pat

3153
02:20:30,420 --> 02:20:28,330
price in in a coffin you know and so

3154
02:20:32,219 --> 02:20:30,430
it's it's which which story do you

3155
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:32,229
believe and what does it mean that

3156
02:20:36,040 --> 02:20:33,650
there's an incongruity there

3157
02:20:38,500 --> 02:20:36,050
you know if you ask some of the remote

3158
02:20:40,450 --> 02:20:38,510
viewers from the Army program you know

3159
02:20:43,511 --> 02:20:40,460
just for fun years later they they

3160
02:20:44,020 --> 02:20:43,521
actually remote viewed Pat price in an

3161
02:20:45,670 --> 02:20:44,030
envelope

3162
02:20:47,020 --> 02:20:45,680
you know just the name and they came up

3163
02:20:51,970 --> 02:20:47,030
with a guy working in an underground

3164
02:20:54,910 --> 02:20:51,980
facility somewhere in Alaska that's

3165
02:21:01,000 --> 02:20:54,920
interesting mm-hmm that's interesting

3166
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:01,010
and he had so much talent and I you're

3167
02:21:08,290 --> 02:21:03,200
right he considered himself a patriot

3168
02:21:10,560 --> 02:21:08,300
and then we have Ingo Swann and I had

3169
02:21:13,960 --> 02:21:10,570
asked Russell I don't know if you heard

3170
02:21:16,060 --> 02:21:13,970
my conversation with Russell earlier no

3171
02:21:18,100 --> 02:21:16,070
I missed it unfortunately okay well I'm

3172
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:18,110
gonna lay the same thing out here for

3173
02:21:26,830 --> 02:21:23,050
you Ingo was very confident in his

3174
02:21:29,410 --> 02:21:26,840
abilities and to the point where there

3175
02:21:31,150 --> 02:21:29,420
was nothing that he couldn't do and he

3176
02:21:34,480 --> 02:21:31,160
wanted to make that very clear

3177
02:21:39,761 --> 02:21:34,490
was he really that strong was his was

3178
02:21:43,240 --> 02:21:39,771
his ego a part of what he was doing you

3179
02:21:46,540 --> 02:21:43,250
know I think I got a really good idea of

3180
02:21:47,980 --> 02:21:46,550
Ingo from so many people who knew him

3181
02:21:49,660 --> 02:21:47,990
you know I energy I talked to so many

3182
02:21:53,020 --> 02:21:49,670
people who really loved this guy and

3183
02:21:55,841 --> 02:21:53,030
really knew him very well and in his ego

3184
02:21:57,940 --> 02:21:55,851
his ambition was just part of who he was

3185
02:21:59,530 --> 02:21:57,950
and I and I think that his confidence is

3186
02:22:03,070 --> 02:21:59,540
part of what made him such a

3187
02:22:05,470 --> 02:22:03,080
revolutionary psychic you know he was a

3188
02:22:07,810 --> 02:22:05,480
renowned artist I mean you know he had a

3189
02:22:09,970 --> 02:22:07,820
painting in the Smithsonian I mean I

3190
02:22:13,060 --> 02:22:09,980
mean this guy it was was the real deal

3191
02:22:15,761 --> 02:22:13,070
in many many ways but he but he was very

3192
02:22:18,850 --> 02:22:15,771
ambitious and and I think that he also

3193
02:22:21,070 --> 02:22:18,860
was incredibly smart he was as much of a

3194
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:21,080
researcher and a scientist as the

3195
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:23,090
scientist I mean he wanted to know the

3196
02:22:27,310 --> 02:22:25,610
validity of this he wanted to know the

3197
02:22:30,970 --> 02:22:27,320
reality of it whether it was for good or

3198
02:22:33,370 --> 02:22:30,980
for ill and and you know he sort of

3199
02:22:35,620 --> 02:22:33,380
structured the entire army program for

3200
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:35,630
the army he came in and sort of created

3201
02:22:39,100 --> 02:22:37,760
all these protocols for these army

3202
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:39,110
remote viewers that sort of became a

3203
02:22:42,790 --> 02:22:40,610
point of contention between I think him

3204
02:22:45,341 --> 02:22:42,800
and Russell and it led to sort of a

3205
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:45,351
falling-out between them because Russell

3206
02:22:47,410 --> 02:22:46,880
believed that remote viewing should be

3207
02:22:49,719 --> 02:22:47,420
very

3208
02:22:52,690 --> 02:22:49,729
easy for people to do I think Ingo

3209
02:22:55,090 --> 02:22:52,700
understood that the army was very

3210
02:22:59,170 --> 02:22:55,100
regimented and disciplined and they

3211
02:23:01,150 --> 02:22:59,180
needed to have sort of like a system to

3212
02:23:03,250 --> 02:23:01,160
do remote viewing in a code book to look

3213
02:23:05,560 --> 02:23:03,260
at and you know stuff to do and so he

3214
02:23:07,719 --> 02:23:05,570
created a very specific formula for

3215
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:07,729
doing remote viewing in the army but but

3216
02:23:11,260 --> 02:23:09,710
um you know he was just an ambitious guy

3217
02:23:15,340 --> 02:23:11,270
and and I don't know I mean there was a

3218
02:23:17,230 --> 02:23:15,350
definite sort of rivalry between Ingo

3219
02:23:18,610 --> 02:23:17,240
and Pat because I think that Ingo sort

3220
02:23:21,850 --> 02:23:18,620
of resented that Pat got a lot of

3221
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:21,860
attention from the CIA and and it made

3222
02:23:25,929 --> 02:23:23,840
him work even harder on the army and and

3223
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:25,939
and other things to sort of solidify his

3224
02:23:31,570 --> 02:23:29,210
position I believe there's and I want to

3225
02:23:34,030 --> 02:23:31,580
thank you for this conversation tonight

3226
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:34,040
and and the movie but before we run out

3227
02:23:40,870 --> 02:23:35,930
of time I wanted to get to thank you and

3228
02:23:43,210 --> 02:23:40,880
if we do run out of time is that nothing

3229
02:23:45,820 --> 02:23:43,220
is safe anymore if the Russians are

3230
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:45,830
working on this then they can look at us

3231
02:23:51,550 --> 02:23:48,800
also remote viewers could spy on other

3232
02:23:53,620 --> 02:23:51,560
remote viewers which is a pretty

3233
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,630
frightening thought and then early

3234
02:24:01,090 --> 02:23:56,000
Geller comes into the picture too as

3235
02:24:04,270 --> 02:24:01,100
well and Yuri works for the Israelis

3236
02:24:07,719 --> 02:24:04,280
right and well I would assume that he

3237
02:24:09,790 --> 02:24:07,729
does and and now both for CIA and the

3238
02:24:11,380 --> 02:24:09,800
Israelis that's right and now it's it's

3239
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:11,390
like bringing the wolf into the hens

3240
02:24:17,320 --> 02:24:15,050
house right yeah it depends on on your

3241
02:24:20,350 --> 02:24:17,330
thought on on Masada I guess but but

3242
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:20,360
it's it's um you know early is a very

3243
02:24:26,260 --> 02:24:23,810
fascinating person and you know and very

3244
02:24:28,480 --> 02:24:26,270
controversial you know and and I think

3245
02:24:30,670 --> 02:24:28,490
that part of that controversy is what he

3246
02:24:32,350 --> 02:24:30,680
really likes because it keeps him in the

3247
02:24:34,750 --> 02:24:32,360
realm of a magician and not into the

3248
02:24:36,100 --> 02:24:34,760
realm of sort of a psychic spy but if

3249
02:24:37,900 --> 02:24:36,110
you really ask him or if you read his

3250
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:37,910
book I mean you know he's he'll tell you

3251
02:24:44,500 --> 02:24:41,600
he's done all sorts of things well yeah

3252
02:24:47,020 --> 02:24:44,510
including the oil industry and and made

3253
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:47,030
him very rich yeah that's what he claims

3254
02:24:50,170 --> 02:24:48,800
he claims that did he can dowse for oil

3255
02:24:52,450 --> 02:24:50,180
I mean I know for a fact that gentleman

3256
02:24:54,370 --> 02:24:52,460
monocle does very well doing you know

3257
02:24:55,929 --> 02:24:54,380
prospecting and that kind of a thing you

3258
02:24:57,850 --> 02:24:55,939
know that's just one of the things that

3259
02:24:59,620 --> 02:24:57,860
you can do with remote viewing you know

3260
02:25:02,200 --> 02:24:59,630
but I want to be clear remote viewing

3261
02:25:04,179 --> 02:25:02,210
is not a catch-all it's not the perfect

3262
02:25:05,740 --> 02:25:04,189
solution to the Intelligence Agency's it

3263
02:25:08,290 --> 02:25:05,750
didn't work a hundred percent of the

3264
02:25:10,179 --> 02:25:08,300
time and the information often has a lot

3265
02:25:11,710 --> 02:25:10,189
of noise in it and in fact one of the

3266
02:25:14,830 --> 02:25:11,720
countermeasures that they came up with

3267
02:25:17,950 --> 02:25:14,840
is that you can corrupt remote viewing

3268
02:25:19,300 --> 02:25:17,960
data simply by focusing a lot of junk at

3269
02:25:21,670 --> 02:25:19,310
the same thing that you're trying to

3270
02:25:23,740 --> 02:25:21,680
hide you know like skip out water told a

3271
02:25:25,870 --> 02:25:23,750
story about going around and posting up

3272
02:25:27,969 --> 02:25:25,880
you know birthday balloons and Mickey

3273
02:25:30,340 --> 02:25:27,979
Mouse posters in a missile silo to hide

3274
02:25:32,200 --> 02:25:30,350
it from Russian remote viewers and what

3275
02:25:34,900 --> 02:25:32,210
would that do yeah exactly what would

3276
02:25:37,630 --> 02:25:34,910
that do it would create so much noise

3277
02:25:39,370 --> 02:25:37,640
that the that the Tasker would probably

3278
02:25:40,480 --> 02:25:39,380
throw all of the data out because

3279
02:25:41,740 --> 02:25:40,490
because they would say oh well I'm

3280
02:25:44,290 --> 02:25:41,750
seeing a birthday party with Mickey

3281
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:44,300
Mouse but I'm also seeing a new class of

3282
02:25:48,370 --> 02:25:46,250
nuclear missile and and I think that the

3283
02:25:50,350 --> 02:25:48,380
confusion was designed to tor to screw

3284
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:50,360
things up you can also take a remote

3285
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:53,840
viewers you know target data like a fuse

3286
02:25:58,630 --> 02:25:56,000
have a signifying number and if you

3287
02:26:00,490 --> 02:25:58,640
screw with that then if all the sudden

3288
02:26:03,460 --> 02:26:00,500
somebody starts concentrating on you

3289
02:26:05,620 --> 02:26:03,470
know a volcano and the target is

3290
02:26:06,790 --> 02:26:05,630
supposed to be a bunker you know and

3291
02:26:09,219 --> 02:26:06,800
then all the sudden the remote viewers

3292
02:26:10,480 --> 02:26:09,229
because it's an imaginal skill you know

3293
02:26:12,219 --> 02:26:10,490
it's not it's not something that is

3294
02:26:14,350 --> 02:26:12,229
concrete and I think that's why science

3295
02:26:15,700 --> 02:26:14,360
hasn't been able to really wrap their

3296
02:26:17,710 --> 02:26:15,710
head around this kind of thing in a

3297
02:26:20,110 --> 02:26:17,720
mainstream way because it doesn't work

3298
02:26:22,840 --> 02:26:20,120
the same way every time it's not that

3299
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,850
reliable you mentioned really quick I

3300
02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:25,040
wanted to get back to this we have a two

3301
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:29,210
minutes you mentioned the UFO aspect

3302
02:26:33,880 --> 02:26:31,610
with remote viewing and that would be

3303
02:26:37,330 --> 02:26:33,890
you know part two two third eye spies

3304
02:26:39,160 --> 02:26:37,340
how would you approach that because

3305
02:26:41,620 --> 02:26:39,170
consciousness is primary like Max Planck

3306
02:26:43,060 --> 02:26:41,630
said you know it's like if your

3307
02:26:45,370 --> 02:26:43,070
consciousness goes anywhere then it's

3308
02:26:47,350 --> 02:26:45,380
just as easy to see the inner workings

3309
02:26:48,790 --> 02:26:47,360
of a UFO as it is to see what's

3310
02:26:51,010 --> 02:26:48,800
happening in your studio right now

3311
02:26:52,690 --> 02:26:51,020
and and I think that that that is a

3312
02:26:55,330 --> 02:26:52,700
fascinating subject it's probably

3313
02:26:58,600 --> 02:26:55,340
something that has been useful to

3314
02:27:01,000 --> 02:26:58,610
intelligence agencies as well but why

3315
02:27:03,070 --> 02:27:01,010
not have fun with it and and you know

3316
02:27:04,810 --> 02:27:03,080
play around with that subject because I

3317
02:27:08,110 --> 02:27:04,820
think that we're really looking in the

3318
02:27:10,179 --> 02:27:08,120
wrong place when we look at contact or

3319
02:27:12,730 --> 02:27:10,189
disclosure we're thinking of it as this

3320
02:27:13,480 --> 02:27:12,740
far away thing that that other people

3321
02:27:15,341 --> 02:27:13,490
have to make

3322
02:27:17,261 --> 02:27:15,351
possible for us I don't believe that

3323
02:27:19,390 --> 02:27:17,271
anymore not after making this film I

3324
02:27:20,261 --> 02:27:19,400
believe that radio telescopes were a

3325
02:27:22,631 --> 02:27:20,271
waste of time

3326
02:27:24,700 --> 02:27:22,641
I believe that et has probably been

3327
02:27:25,990 --> 02:27:24,710
phoning you constantly and you're just

3328
02:27:28,990 --> 02:27:26,000
not picking up the phone because we

3329
02:27:30,310 --> 02:27:29,000
don't understand how important the

3330
02:27:32,171 --> 02:27:30,320
missing link is which is our own

3331
02:27:33,761 --> 02:27:32,181
consciousness all right stay right there

3332
02:27:36,940 --> 02:27:33,771
we're gonna do some overtime I'm not

3333
02:27:39,700 --> 02:27:36,950
ready to end this Lance okay that's it

3334
02:27:42,490 --> 02:27:39,710
that's it you're stuck let's take you

3335
02:27:44,591 --> 02:27:42,500
good right let's take a break right here

3336
02:27:46,120 --> 02:27:44,601
our guest tonight Lance moon gee we're

3337
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:46,130
talking about his film third eyes spies

3338
02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:49,010
and if he's gonna leave me with that

3339
02:27:51,610 --> 02:27:50,690
kind of cliffhanger then that's it we're

3340
02:27:54,580 --> 02:27:51,620
gonna do some overtime

3341
02:27:55,870 --> 02:27:54,590
this is fade to black I am euros too

3342
02:27:56,820 --> 02:27:55,880
mature it's more the Lance after this

3343
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short break stay with us

3344
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weekend our guest tonight is Lance

3437
02:33:15,201 --> 02:33:13,501
mangia talking about his new film that

3438
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:15,211
he just directed it's a documentary

3439
02:33:20,631 --> 02:33:16,650
called third-eye spies

3440
02:33:24,291 --> 02:33:20,641
and when we bring in Lance the UFO

3441
02:33:27,650 --> 02:33:24,301
aspect to this look we have one thing

3442
02:33:31,131 --> 02:33:27,660
where we're dealing with tangible stuff

3443
02:33:31,970 --> 02:33:31,141
here on earth Russia China across the

3444
02:33:36,291 --> 02:33:31,980
United States

3445
02:33:38,991 --> 02:33:36,301
Langly what an overpass in San Francisco

3446
02:33:42,291 --> 02:33:39,001
ok and we can prove yeah that's that's

3447
02:33:45,020 --> 02:33:42,301
all simple now and we're getting people

3448
02:33:48,801 --> 02:33:45,030
to accept remote viewing we bring this

3449
02:33:50,871 --> 02:33:48,811
stuff over into the UFO world are we

3450
02:33:54,020 --> 02:33:50,881
going to scare some people off I mean

3451
02:33:55,310 --> 02:33:54,030
what where where can we take this well I

3452
02:33:56,781 --> 02:33:55,320
don't think you're gonna scare people

3453
02:33:58,671 --> 02:33:56,791
off any more than they've already been

3454
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:58,681
scared off when they see a UFO in the

3455
02:34:02,211 --> 02:34:00,240
sky I mean I think that the the issue

3456
02:34:03,291 --> 02:34:02,221
with that is that nobody understands

3457
02:34:05,631 --> 02:34:03,301
what they're looking at

3458
02:34:08,661 --> 02:34:05,641
you cannot scientifically pin down

3459
02:34:10,631 --> 02:34:08,671
exactly what a UFO is but you can look

3460
02:34:13,850 --> 02:34:10,641
at thousands and thousands of

3461
02:34:15,411 --> 02:34:13,860
testimonials from experiencers who claim

3462
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:15,421
to have had some sort of a psychic

3463
02:34:20,600 --> 02:34:18,690
contact or telepathic interaction or

3464
02:34:22,671 --> 02:34:20,610
whatever which would just anecdotally

3465
02:34:24,621 --> 02:34:22,681
suggest that that somehow

3466
02:34:27,381 --> 02:34:24,631
extraterrestrial cultures are using

3467
02:34:29,690 --> 02:34:27,391
something like ESP to communicate and

3468
02:34:31,011 --> 02:34:29,700
and if this is and if we're gonna we

3469
02:34:33,350 --> 02:34:31,021
have to extrapolate out from what we

3470
02:34:36,621 --> 02:34:33,360
already know what do you know have you

3471
02:34:39,051 --> 02:34:36,631
had a UFO experience I've had a few

3472
02:34:43,551 --> 02:34:39,061
actually you know I mean I've gone out

3473
02:34:45,650 --> 02:34:43,561
on UFO summoning groups for you know

3474
02:34:48,470 --> 02:34:45,660
potentially doing some film projects and

3475
02:34:50,331 --> 02:34:48,480
and I've seen phenomenon and I and I had

3476
02:34:51,591 --> 02:34:50,341
a story I don't know how much time we

3477
02:34:53,719 --> 02:34:51,601
have to actually let me tell this story

3478
02:34:56,090 --> 02:34:53,729
but I have an amazing story from

3479
02:34:58,639 --> 02:34:56,100
when I was much much younger which you

3480
02:35:01,130 --> 02:34:58,649
know to me suggests a UFO or just a

3481
02:35:03,349 --> 02:35:01,140
plain old miracle in that like there was

3482
02:35:04,910 --> 02:35:03,359
a time when I was really in a very bad

3483
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:04,920
place in my life I was just broken up

3484
02:35:08,300 --> 02:35:05,760
with a girlfriend

3485
02:35:10,939 --> 02:35:08,310
I was driving my Camaro which was very

3486
02:35:12,979 --> 02:35:10,949
lowered and very tinted on an icy road

3487
02:35:15,769 --> 02:35:12,989
in the middle of the night in the fog

3488
02:35:18,410 --> 02:35:15,779
and I changed lanes too fast the car

3489
02:35:21,830 --> 02:35:18,420
spun at probably I want to say like 80

3490
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:21,840
miles an hour and the car literally I

3491
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:24,800
was pinned to the side of the car I

3492
02:35:28,820 --> 02:35:27,210
basically said to myself dear God get me

3493
02:35:32,719 --> 02:35:28,830
out of this I will never do something so

3494
02:35:35,719 --> 02:35:32,729
stupid again and the car sort of just

3495
02:35:37,729 --> 02:35:35,729
slowly stopped spinning and kind of like

3496
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:37,739
barely touched the center divider of the

3497
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:41,040
freeway and parked itself and that to me

3498
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:44,130
I know alone was a miracle right but

3499
02:35:50,210 --> 02:35:46,800
then something in you know sort of like

3500
02:35:53,479 --> 02:35:50,220
just an internal voice said to me the

3501
02:35:56,719 --> 02:35:53,489
car is about to fly and I'm like what

3502
02:35:59,360 --> 02:35:56,729
can i blacked out and and that's all I

3503
02:36:01,429 --> 02:35:59,370
remember but when I woke up I'm staring

3504
02:36:03,469 --> 02:36:01,439
at the headliner of the car I'm looking

3505
02:36:05,240 --> 02:36:03,479
at like Mike my bottle of water which

3506
02:36:08,689 --> 02:36:05,250
was open still in the center console I

3507
02:36:11,809 --> 02:36:08,699
get out of the car and I'm probably 200

3508
02:36:14,179 --> 02:36:11,819
or so feet up maybe a thousand you know

3509
02:36:16,790 --> 02:36:14,189
yards away from the freeway on a hill

3510
02:36:17,149 --> 02:36:16,800
and I have absolutely no idea how I got

3511
02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:17,159
there

3512
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:19,550
wait a minute hold on a minute hold on

3513
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:23,520
okay let's let's do a recap here you

3514
02:36:31,639 --> 02:36:27,840
spin out your car on ice at 80 miles an

3515
02:36:34,639 --> 02:36:31,649
hour it it ends up in the emergency lane

3516
02:36:38,300 --> 02:36:34,649
next to the center divider right you

3517
02:36:42,349 --> 02:36:38,310
black out you come to and now your car

3518
02:36:46,010 --> 02:36:42,359
is on top of a hill that's right on a on

3519
02:36:48,830 --> 02:36:46,020
in a lowered Camaro with no dirt road no

3520
02:36:50,750 --> 02:36:48,840
real visible access of - how I possibly

3521
02:36:52,130 --> 02:36:50,760
could have gotten up there but that's

3522
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:52,140
where my car is and I can't explain it

3523
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:56,399
okay so how did you get up there I don't

3524
02:37:00,740 --> 02:36:58,560
know but but I will tell you this that

3525
02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:00,750
that years later I was watching a

3526
02:37:05,179 --> 02:37:03,449
documentary on on UFO testimony and

3527
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:05,189
somebody started talking about dialated

3528
02:37:07,511 --> 02:37:05,930
time

3529
02:37:08,860 --> 02:37:07,521
and they started talking about how like

3530
02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:08,870
when you have a UFO encounter

3531
02:37:12,370 --> 02:37:11,090
time just gets really wacky and and that

3532
02:37:14,020 --> 02:37:12,380
was one of the things that I was

3533
02:37:15,130 --> 02:37:14,030
experiencing heavily before this

3534
02:37:17,261 --> 02:37:15,140
happened it's one of the reasons I

3535
02:37:18,761 --> 02:37:17,271
actually spun out in the first place was

3536
02:37:20,380 --> 02:37:18,771
because I just felt like I had been

3537
02:37:22,330 --> 02:37:20,390
going so slowly that time was just

3538
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:22,340
taking me forever to get down the road

3539
02:37:26,530 --> 02:37:25,280
and and I found that to be a hallmark of

3540
02:37:29,410 --> 02:37:26,540
this kind of thing I've never done a

3541
02:37:31,180 --> 02:37:29,420
hypnotic regression about it but it's it

3542
02:37:33,850 --> 02:37:31,190
was the most perplexing thing I had ever

3543
02:37:36,040 --> 02:37:33,860
experienced because in the process of a

3544
02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:36,050
tow truck dragging my car down this hill

3545
02:37:39,970 --> 02:37:38,210
it ruined the undercarriage I mean it

3546
02:37:43,091 --> 02:37:39,980
was like not an easy thing to get off

3547
02:37:45,301 --> 02:37:43,101
and I have no idea how I got there one

3548
02:37:48,100 --> 02:37:45,311
would say that you made up the story

3549
02:37:52,030 --> 02:37:48,110
because you drove up the hill and got

3550
02:37:54,220 --> 02:37:52,040
stuck yeah right right but it was a

3551
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:54,230
steep hill and it was it was the middle

3552
02:37:58,030 --> 02:37:56,570
of the night and and I blacked out so I

3553
02:37:59,500 --> 02:37:58,040
mean yeah sure you could say I made it

3554
02:38:00,610 --> 02:37:59,510
up but you know I don't actually this is

3555
02:38:02,890 --> 02:38:00,620
one of the first times I've ever sure

3556
02:38:04,810 --> 02:38:02,900
I've ever shared this because it's it's

3557
02:38:06,220 --> 02:38:04,820
something that was really miraculous to

3558
02:38:06,761 --> 02:38:06,230
me that sort of just puzzled me for

3559
02:38:10,270 --> 02:38:06,771
years

3560
02:38:12,551 --> 02:38:10,280
and I can I can't figure it out oh okay

3561
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,561
what do you think happened are you

3562
02:38:16,841 --> 02:38:14,720
suggesting well I don't even want to

3563
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:16,851
suggest I don't want to I don't want to

3564
02:38:20,591 --> 02:38:18,080
contaminate the story

3565
02:38:23,440 --> 02:38:20,601
well what is it that you think happened

3566
02:38:25,390 --> 02:38:23,450
well I think that a lot of people you

3567
02:38:26,950 --> 02:38:25,400
know have blackouts and then you know

3568
02:38:28,210 --> 02:38:26,960
stop being at one place and be at

3569
02:38:30,220 --> 02:38:28,220
another that's that's the one thing that

3570
02:38:32,380 --> 02:38:30,230
I actually do know yes I could have

3571
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,390
blacked out hit the gas or something and

3572
02:38:36,400 --> 02:38:34,160
then wound up on a hill but I was parked

3573
02:38:39,460 --> 02:38:36,410
on a clearing with the engine off you

3574
02:38:42,310 --> 02:38:39,470
know and and so I don't understand how

3575
02:38:43,930 --> 02:38:42,320
that happened and if nothing else it's a

3576
02:38:46,841 --> 02:38:43,940
miracle I mean I wasn't like a highly

3577
02:38:48,700 --> 02:38:46,851
spiritual person but you know me being

3578
02:38:50,591 --> 02:38:48,710
in the center divider of a freeway in

3579
02:38:52,390 --> 02:38:50,601
the middle of the night I could have

3580
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:52,400
been easily hit it was foggy you know

3581
02:38:58,600 --> 02:38:53,840
was on the grapevine it was very very

3582
02:39:01,360 --> 02:38:58,610
dark so I don't know how to explain it

3583
02:39:03,490 --> 02:39:01,370
other than you know I don't know I mean

3584
02:39:05,560 --> 02:39:03,500
was there a spiritual force that

3585
02:39:07,870 --> 02:39:05,570
intervened maybe you know was it just

3586
02:39:09,850 --> 02:39:07,880
all in my imagination I guess it could

3587
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:09,860
have been but I don't think so you know

3588
02:39:14,110 --> 02:39:12,530
because it was just so bizarre and and

3589
02:39:15,880 --> 02:39:14,120
that entire evening frankly was just so

3590
02:39:17,020 --> 02:39:15,890
bizarre and it just it really is

3591
02:39:19,750 --> 02:39:17,030
something that haunted me for years I

3592
02:39:21,730 --> 02:39:19,760
mean it may be relevant maybe not but

3593
02:39:24,551 --> 02:39:21,740
it definitely opened my mind up a little

3594
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:24,561
bit to sort of the impossibility sort of

3595
02:39:30,460 --> 02:39:26,090
becoming a little more possible well

3596
02:39:31,690 --> 02:39:30,470
okay now why not remote view this you

3597
02:39:33,850 --> 02:39:31,700
know I've actually thought about doing

3598
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:33,860
like a hypnotic regression or something

3599
02:39:37,630 --> 02:39:36,170
like that and something just kind of

3600
02:39:39,430 --> 02:39:37,640
told me for a number of years just don't

3601
02:39:41,380 --> 02:39:39,440
don't mess with it I mean I've had

3602
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:41,390
plenty of others sort of you know I

3603
02:39:45,700 --> 02:39:43,040
meditate and and I've had plenty of

3604
02:39:47,140 --> 02:39:45,710
other sort of psychic encounters and you

3605
02:39:48,310 --> 02:39:47,150
know potential et encounters just

3606
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:48,320
through the dream state and things like

3607
02:39:52,690 --> 02:39:50,960
that but that's all just speculative

3608
02:39:54,250 --> 02:39:52,700
because you don't know if it's real or

3609
02:39:56,320 --> 02:39:54,260
not and that's sort of the problem with

3610
02:39:58,780 --> 02:39:56,330
this entire subject is that you know

3611
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:58,790
there's always very little real evidence

3612
02:40:02,620 --> 02:40:00,800
and it sort of comes down to personal

3613
02:40:04,630 --> 02:40:02,630
interpretation and personal experience

3614
02:40:06,670 --> 02:40:04,640
and that was my personal experience and

3615
02:40:09,400 --> 02:40:06,680
I think that it was a pretty amazing

3616
02:40:10,900 --> 02:40:09,410
thing that I wasn't killed and and it's

3617
02:40:12,011 --> 02:40:10,910
completely inexplicable you know

3618
02:40:15,490 --> 02:40:12,021
everything else that happened that night

3619
02:40:18,130 --> 02:40:15,500
well visions of Giorgio tsoukalos are

3620
02:40:22,810 --> 02:40:18,140
popping into my head I'm not saying it

3621
02:40:24,460 --> 02:40:22,820
was aliens but it was aliens yeah yeah I

3622
02:40:26,200 --> 02:40:24,470
mean it could have been I mean you know

3623
02:40:29,410 --> 02:40:26,210
there's there's there's a there's plenty

3624
02:40:31,480 --> 02:40:29,420
of stories like that where you know but

3625
02:40:34,450 --> 02:40:31,490
but I until I know I don't I'm not 100%

3626
02:40:35,620 --> 02:40:34,460
sure but it certainly matched up with I

3627
02:40:38,350 --> 02:40:35,630
think a lot of other people's stories

3628
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:38,360
and I've you know it's sort of something

3629
02:40:41,380 --> 02:40:39,290
that's just kind of bothered me for

3630
02:40:44,890 --> 02:40:41,390
years I don't know is there

3631
02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:44,900
you mentioned disclosure before the

3632
02:40:53,460 --> 02:40:48,530
break is there is there a reason to take

3633
02:40:57,850 --> 02:40:53,470
the Precog side of remote viewing and

3634
02:40:59,680 --> 02:40:57,860
use that and look into the future to see

3635
02:41:02,140 --> 02:40:59,690
what the possibilities are

3636
02:41:05,350 --> 02:41:02,150
oh they're doing it all the time you

3637
02:41:08,770 --> 02:41:05,360
know three days before Dozier a general

3638
02:41:11,830 --> 02:41:08,780
Dozier was kidnapped in the 80s in in

3639
02:41:13,330 --> 02:41:11,840
Verona by a terrorist group and I just

3640
02:41:17,051 --> 02:41:13,340
recently found a document from SR I

3641
02:41:20,020 --> 02:41:17,061
saying that on like December 15th of

3642
02:41:21,640 --> 02:41:20,030
that year SR I was tasked just to simply

3643
02:41:23,350 --> 02:41:21,650
see is there anything coming up in the

3644
02:41:25,511 --> 02:41:23,360
next week that we need to be aware of

3645
02:41:27,160 --> 02:41:25,521
and they came back and said somebody

3646
02:41:29,350 --> 02:41:27,170
high-ranking at the Pentagon will be

3647
02:41:32,320 --> 02:41:29,360
kidnapped on the evening of December

3648
02:41:33,069 --> 02:41:32,330
15th and sure enough on the evening of

3649
02:41:37,119 --> 02:41:33,079
December

3650
02:41:39,339 --> 02:41:37,129
the 17th this guy was get was kidnapped

3651
02:41:42,459 --> 02:41:39,349
so it is definitely possible to use for

3652
02:41:45,039 --> 02:41:42,469
precognition but it also is not as

3653
02:41:47,619 --> 02:41:45,049
reliable probably because we're looking

3654
02:41:48,879 --> 02:41:47,629
at different timelines I think I mean I

3655
02:41:50,139 --> 02:41:48,889
think that you know you see it all the

3656
02:41:51,309 --> 02:41:50,149
time with associative remote viewing

3657
02:41:53,199 --> 02:41:51,319
where they try to do these gambling

3658
02:41:54,459 --> 02:41:53,209
experiments which I did a really cool

3659
02:41:56,529 --> 02:41:54,469
extra that's on the YouTube channel that

3660
02:41:58,209 --> 02:41:56,539
you can check out about this they'll

3661
02:42:00,010 --> 02:41:58,219
look at two different photographs and

3662
02:42:03,069 --> 02:42:00,020
say okay we're going to try to predict

3663
02:42:04,539 --> 02:42:03,079
an over/under you know Sportingbet

3664
02:42:07,629 --> 02:42:04,549
you know like is the total score gonna

3665
02:42:09,339 --> 02:42:07,639
be this or under that and time and again

3666
02:42:10,959 --> 02:42:09,349
they'll get it right they have a very

3667
02:42:12,879 --> 02:42:10,969
good hit rate but every now and then

3668
02:42:15,010 --> 02:42:12,889
they'll get a perfect description of the

3669
02:42:16,359 --> 02:42:15,020
wrong outcome and keep in mind the

3670
02:42:18,129 --> 02:42:16,369
viewers are never shown the wrong

3671
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:18,139
outcome so it's almost as if they're

3672
02:42:22,149 --> 02:42:20,479
viewing the wrong timeline or something

3673
02:42:24,699 --> 02:42:22,159
what do you mean a perfect description

3674
02:42:28,749 --> 02:42:24,709
of the wrong outcome how can you have a

3675
02:42:30,669 --> 02:42:28,759
okay so so let's say you have a picture

3676
02:42:31,989 --> 02:42:30,679
of a volcano and that's going to just

3677
02:42:32,979 --> 02:42:31,999
for simple a Finnish communication

3678
02:42:35,739 --> 02:42:32,989
that's going to represent the winning

3679
02:42:38,559 --> 02:42:35,749
side in a picture of a Buddhist temple

3680
02:42:42,069 --> 02:42:38,569
and that's gonna represent the losing

3681
02:42:43,989 --> 02:42:42,079
side you know and sometimes you will get

3682
02:42:46,419 --> 02:42:43,999
a remote viewer that draws a really

3683
02:42:48,489 --> 02:42:46,429
great picture of a volcano even though

3684
02:42:50,019 --> 02:42:48,499
in 30 minutes the picture that's going

3685
02:42:52,599 --> 02:42:50,029
to be shown to this group of gamblers

3686
02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:52,609
they go down and place their bet is

3687
02:42:57,189 --> 02:42:55,520
actually the the temple you know it's

3688
02:42:59,319 --> 02:42:57,199
the wrong answer and that's really the

3689
02:43:00,909 --> 02:42:59,329
kind of MacGuffin when it comes to

3690
02:43:02,919 --> 02:43:00,919
predicting the future is that sometimes

3691
02:43:04,929 --> 02:43:02,929
you're actually looking maybe at the

3692
02:43:06,669 --> 02:43:04,939
wrong future you know because I think

3693
02:43:09,489 --> 02:43:06,679
that again when consciousness comes into

3694
02:43:11,859 --> 02:43:09,499
play we have a say into where the

3695
02:43:13,629 --> 02:43:11,869
probabilities are going to go and and

3696
02:43:16,959 --> 02:43:13,639
sometimes even the act of observing can

3697
02:43:19,749 --> 02:43:16,969
screw that up why and I know that a lot

3698
02:43:21,579 --> 02:43:19,759
of remote viewers are some are very

3699
02:43:24,579 --> 02:43:21,589
successful with you know the stock

3700
02:43:27,119 --> 02:43:24,589
market and these kinds of things but the

3701
02:43:30,760 --> 02:43:27,129
the skeptic will always come back with

3702
02:43:34,119 --> 02:43:30,770
where's my lottery numbers where is the

3703
02:43:37,059 --> 02:43:34,129
winner of the World Series next year

3704
02:43:40,359 --> 02:43:37,069
right before the season starts right

3705
02:43:42,519 --> 02:43:40,369
where is that kind of stuff well you

3706
02:43:44,139 --> 02:43:42,529
know James Spottiswoode did a really

3707
02:43:45,879 --> 02:43:44,149
great experiment trying to predict the

3708
02:43:46,930 --> 02:43:45,889
lottery numbers with geo mcmoneagle and

3709
02:43:49,420 --> 02:43:46,940
a bunch of other people

3710
02:43:51,430 --> 02:43:49,430
and my understanding was very very

3711
02:43:53,591 --> 02:43:51,440
difficult to do the way they did it and

3712
02:43:55,060 --> 02:43:53,601
they they pretty much did it and I don't

3713
02:43:57,700 --> 02:43:55,070
remember the full story but I know that

3714
02:43:59,051 --> 02:43:57,710
they they didn't completely get all of

3715
02:44:03,250 --> 02:43:59,061
the numbers right and I think that it's

3716
02:44:05,051 --> 02:44:03,260
not that logical of a skill where you

3717
02:44:06,970 --> 02:44:05,061
can literally I mean I mean just name

3718
02:44:09,341 --> 02:44:06,980
all of the winning lotto numbers because

3719
02:44:11,410 --> 02:44:09,351
that requires a very analytical part of

3720
02:44:13,930 --> 02:44:11,420
your brain and and I don't think that

3721
02:44:15,700 --> 02:44:13,940
we're dealing with logical analytical

3722
02:44:18,341 --> 02:44:15,710
parts of the brain and that's a much

3723
02:44:21,250 --> 02:44:18,351
rarer ability that's why it's so hard

3724
02:44:23,110 --> 02:44:21,260
for a remote viewer to actually read and

3725
02:44:28,180 --> 02:44:23,120
the why Pat price was so special at it

3726
02:44:32,830 --> 02:44:28,190
well the my experience very early on

3727
02:44:35,230 --> 02:44:32,840
with remote viewing involved me

3728
02:44:39,480 --> 02:44:35,240
personally with the Malibu underwater

3729
02:44:41,740 --> 02:44:39,490
base and we had published an article

3730
02:44:43,270 --> 02:44:41,750
that you know everybody knows what

3731
02:44:46,600 --> 02:44:43,280
happened after that not you know

3732
02:44:49,091 --> 02:44:46,610
published some very specific images from

3733
02:44:54,220 --> 02:44:49,101
Google Earth that had Jimi church

3734
02:44:56,500 --> 02:44:54,230
radio.com on them and this remote veer

3735
02:45:01,591 --> 02:44:56,510
viewer you may know him his last name is

3736
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:01,601
Regan and I just happened to come across

3737
02:45:08,710 --> 02:45:05,450
a video of him doing this viewing

3738
02:45:12,881 --> 02:45:08,720
session and about the Malibu underwater

3739
02:45:14,890 --> 02:45:12,891
base and at the time I was like the

3740
02:45:18,850 --> 02:45:14,900
second or third or fourth person to have

3741
02:45:20,980 --> 02:45:18,860
seen this video on YouTube it was just

3742
02:45:23,440 --> 02:45:20,990
by chance that I found it anyway so I go

3743
02:45:25,690 --> 02:45:23,450
through the whole session and I don't

3744
02:45:29,200 --> 02:45:25,700
know what's in the envelope right and

3745
02:45:32,620 --> 02:45:29,210
I'm watching him you know draw and write

3746
02:45:34,540 --> 02:45:32,630
and list and and go through this at the

3747
02:45:36,730 --> 02:45:34,550
end of the session and I was like wow

3748
02:45:39,580 --> 02:45:36,740
okay that's that's pretty that's pretty

3749
02:45:42,580 --> 02:45:39,590
close here I didn't know that what was

3750
02:45:45,970 --> 02:45:42,590
in the envelope was one of my

3751
02:45:49,450 --> 02:45:45,980
photographs oh wow right and so he opens

3752
02:45:51,940 --> 02:45:49,460
and it was obvious to me what was going

3753
02:45:53,620 --> 02:45:51,950
on he was pretty shocked who is well I

3754
02:45:57,700 --> 02:45:53,630
eventually had him on the show to talk

3755
02:45:59,870 --> 02:45:57,710
about the session but it was pretty

3756
02:46:04,040 --> 02:45:59,880
remarkable to see this

3757
02:46:05,780 --> 02:46:04,050
but where I think it is real is when

3758
02:46:08,030 --> 02:46:05,790
we're talking about the physical in the

3759
02:46:09,979 --> 02:46:08,040
now now right he's got something in the

3760
02:46:13,309 --> 02:46:09,989
envelope that is a physical thing here

3761
02:46:15,139 --> 02:46:13,319
the universe is connected he connected

3762
02:46:17,809 --> 02:46:15,149
with what was in that envelope and that

3763
02:46:20,300 --> 02:46:17,819
was very obvious it's another thing when

3764
02:46:22,429 --> 02:46:20,310
you pull Precog in or when you're

3765
02:46:25,639 --> 02:46:22,439
looking into the future and for a

3766
02:46:27,229 --> 02:46:25,649
skeptic to say where are the you know

3767
02:46:30,200 --> 02:46:27,239
lottery numbers where is the World

3768
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:30,210
Series you know uh Back to the Future

3769
02:46:37,820 --> 02:46:35,279
you know part to situation and that I

3770
02:46:39,679 --> 02:46:37,830
don't think is even though Dean Radin

3771
02:46:41,899 --> 02:46:39,689
will say the opposite I don't think that

3772
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:41,909
is a real application for remote viewing

3773
02:46:46,519 --> 02:46:44,130
as opposed to the now now and the

3774
02:46:48,950 --> 02:46:46,529
physical of what is happening Oh world

3775
02:46:51,080 --> 02:46:48,960
I'll tell you when I go to a pair of

3776
02:46:54,559 --> 02:46:51,090
psychology conferences I tend to see a

3777
02:46:56,359 --> 02:46:54,569
lot of very small effects people doing

3778
02:46:59,210 --> 02:46:56,369
very small experiments and getting very

3779
02:47:01,010 --> 02:46:59,220
small effect sizes and and if you really

3780
02:47:02,689 --> 02:47:01,020
want to know what the secret of the

3781
02:47:05,000 --> 02:47:02,699
Stanford Research Institute and Russell

3782
02:47:07,280 --> 02:47:05,010
Targ and he'll put off was they were

3783
02:47:08,330 --> 02:47:07,290
they were really kind of showman you

3784
02:47:09,649 --> 02:47:08,340
know at the same thing with Stephen

3785
02:47:11,450 --> 02:47:09,659
Schwartz I mean statement Schwartz is

3786
02:47:15,050 --> 02:47:11,460
another great example in our film you

3787
02:47:17,210 --> 02:47:15,060
know he these people thought big and and

3788
02:47:19,340 --> 02:47:17,220
unfortunately the way that it seems that

3789
02:47:20,990 --> 02:47:19,350
sort of this kind of thing works is the

3790
02:47:23,240 --> 02:47:21,000
the larger the thing you're looking at

3791
02:47:26,149 --> 02:47:23,250
the more difficult to see it is the

3792
02:47:28,130 --> 02:47:26,159
further away it is the easier it is you

3793
02:47:29,330 --> 02:47:28,140
know it's much harder to get a really

3794
02:47:31,189 --> 02:47:29,340
strong effect size when you're actually

3795
02:47:34,040 --> 02:47:31,199
looking at say cards in an envelope

3796
02:47:35,689 --> 02:47:34,050
right and I think it's because your

3797
02:47:37,460 --> 02:47:35,699
consciousness gets bored with it you

3798
02:47:38,660 --> 02:47:37,470
know it's like oh come on you know and

3799
02:47:40,250 --> 02:47:38,670
also because you're there in the room

3800
02:47:42,229 --> 02:47:40,260
and you're second-guessing yourself and

3801
02:47:44,660 --> 02:47:42,239
isn't that you know hella Hamid found

3802
02:47:47,030 --> 02:47:44,670
the lost temple of Alexandria in Egypt

3803
02:47:50,840 --> 02:47:47,040
with the Egyptian government and Stephen

3804
02:47:52,519 --> 02:47:50,850
Schwartz and she put a shirt here her

3805
02:47:54,530 --> 02:47:52,529
and another room of your name George I'm

3806
02:47:56,479 --> 02:47:54,540
sorry I don't know his last name put a

3807
02:47:59,149 --> 02:47:56,489
stake down 12 inches from where had been

3808
02:48:01,460 --> 02:47:59,159
buried for thousands of years you know

3809
02:48:03,920 --> 02:48:01,470
and how do you you you can't explain

3810
02:48:07,099 --> 02:48:03,930
that and as a very big hard thing to do

3811
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:07,109
but yet that statistically the the the

3812
02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:08,640
bigger and the larger the experiment

3813
02:48:13,010 --> 02:48:10,890
that they would do the actually better

3814
02:48:13,740 --> 02:48:13,020
the psychic did on it rather than doing

3815
02:48:16,320 --> 02:48:13,750
something that's

3816
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:16,330
very sort of easy to do in mundane in a

3817
02:48:19,650 --> 02:48:17,920
in a setting you know you'll still get a

3818
02:48:21,750 --> 02:48:19,660
result but you won't get as good a

3819
02:48:23,970 --> 02:48:21,760
result and and also you'll see a decline

3820
02:48:26,280 --> 02:48:23,980
effect where if somebody tries to do it

3821
02:48:27,960 --> 02:48:26,290
four or five ten times they'll probably

3822
02:48:29,490 --> 02:48:27,970
get less and less of a good result

3823
02:48:32,040 --> 02:48:29,500
because your consciousness gets bored

3824
02:48:35,340 --> 02:48:32,050
with it well and and and proving

3825
02:48:37,980 --> 02:48:35,350
something here on earth once it happens

3826
02:48:40,580 --> 02:48:37,990
is easy like I just you know spoke about

3827
02:48:41,880 --> 02:48:40,590
with the Malibu underwater base or or

3828
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:41,890
Alexandria

3829
02:48:47,490 --> 02:48:44,050
the thing is when we're talking about

3830
02:48:49,770 --> 02:48:47,500
the interior of a UFO craft and you know

3831
02:48:51,960 --> 02:48:49,780
my position on UFOs I know that the real

3832
02:48:54,360 --> 02:48:51,970
and I know that they're here but if

3833
02:48:57,810 --> 02:48:54,370
you're gonna remote view the interior of

3834
02:49:00,990 --> 02:48:57,820
of a mothership how do you prove the

3835
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:01,000
interior of the mothership well you and

3836
02:49:04,590 --> 02:49:02,890
I can't but I'll bet you help hood off

3837
02:49:06,390 --> 02:49:04,600
can you know and and you know why

3838
02:49:08,190 --> 02:49:06,400
because he's a physicist

3839
02:49:10,590 --> 02:49:08,200
if you it's not just proving the

3840
02:49:13,050 --> 02:49:10,600
interior it's proving the dynamics of it

3841
02:49:15,390 --> 02:49:13,060
it's proving the science of it it's it's

3842
02:49:19,220 --> 02:49:15,400
you know if a remote viewer just writes

3843
02:49:21,450 --> 02:49:19,230
out a bunch of gibberish about a UFO but

3844
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:21,460
in particular say how a propulsion

3845
02:49:26,580 --> 02:49:24,880
system works okay well you know you and

3846
02:49:28,170 --> 02:49:26,590
I are going to be able to know heads or

3847
02:49:30,570 --> 02:49:28,180
tails of that but if you showed it to an

3848
02:49:32,280 --> 02:49:30,580
experienced physicist and he knew

3849
02:49:33,540 --> 02:49:32,290
something about the way gravity works in

3850
02:49:36,270 --> 02:49:33,550
the way other things kind of work that

3851
02:49:38,010 --> 02:49:36,280
might come into play maybe to them it

3852
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:38,020
might be a missing link in something

3853
02:49:40,740 --> 02:49:39,130
that they're putting together as a

3854
02:49:43,440 --> 02:49:40,750
theory it would probably take a very

3855
02:49:45,540 --> 02:49:43,450
very smart person away above my pay

3856
02:49:47,130 --> 02:49:45,550
grade you know to to figure out that

3857
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:47,140
kind of information and the other way

3858
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:48,730
that you can sort of prove it is that

3859
02:49:52,950 --> 02:49:50,650
you you don't just give it to one person

3860
02:49:54,330 --> 02:49:52,960
you know you you you on a double-blind

3861
02:49:56,550 --> 02:49:54,340
basis give it to several different

3862
02:49:58,170 --> 02:49:56,560
people and then you come back with with

3863
02:50:02,160 --> 02:49:58,180
information and and it is gonna be

3864
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:02,170
incredibly hard to prove but if you're

3865
02:50:05,610 --> 02:50:03,850
say an agency of the US government or

3866
02:50:07,260 --> 02:50:05,620
somebody that has access to a whole

3867
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:07,270
bunch of information that we don't know

3868
02:50:11,700 --> 02:50:10,090
about maybe you know it's a little bit

3869
02:50:14,090 --> 02:50:11,710
easier because it can correlate with

3870
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:14,100
other data that you already have

3871
02:50:20,370 --> 02:50:18,250
whatwhat about another approach I don't

3872
02:50:23,130 --> 02:50:20,380
know if you've considered this but with

3873
02:50:25,980 --> 02:50:23,140
some of the things that Bob Lazar has

3874
02:50:29,310 --> 02:50:25,990
talked about over the years

3875
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:29,320
and and wright-patt and and Roswell and

3876
02:50:37,080 --> 02:50:33,370
in alien bodies but what about remote

3877
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:37,090
viewing those you know the entrance to

3878
02:50:43,310 --> 02:50:40,090
s4 you know with Bob Lazar it's location

3879
02:50:46,440 --> 02:50:43,320
where it really is what mountain range

3880
02:50:48,630 --> 02:50:46,450
what about those aspects well first of

3881
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:48,640
all I don't think that that remote

3882
02:50:53,310 --> 02:50:51,520
viewing is completely undefensible you

3883
02:50:55,140 --> 02:50:53,320
know I'm sure that you there there are

3884
02:50:56,969 --> 02:50:55,150
countermeasures that you can employ that

3885
02:50:59,400 --> 02:50:56,979
probably make some things a lot easier

3886
02:51:01,050 --> 02:50:59,410
to see you could even you and I could

3887
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:01,060
create a whole narrative and I'm

3888
02:51:04,410 --> 02:51:03,040
actually you know at least we're at of

3889
02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:04,420
accounts like this where let's say we

3890
02:51:07,980 --> 02:51:06,250
just decide what s war is gonna be and

3891
02:51:09,810 --> 02:51:07,990
you and I come up with all of these

3892
02:51:12,480 --> 02:51:09,820
elaborate details of what's going to be

3893
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:12,490
inside s4 and and and then we ask

3894
02:51:16,890 --> 02:51:14,010
somebody to remote view it and and

3895
02:51:19,400 --> 02:51:16,900
because our consciousness is attached to

3896
02:51:21,870 --> 02:51:19,410
this imaginary thing that we've created

3897
02:51:23,730 --> 02:51:21,880
that actually could shape what the

3898
02:51:25,860 --> 02:51:23,740
remote viewer sees and instead of seeing

3899
02:51:28,620 --> 02:51:25,870
the real thing they could be seeing what

3900
02:51:30,690 --> 02:51:28,630
you and I just created in our mind so

3901
02:51:35,340 --> 02:51:30,700
it's not a perfect thing when it comes

3902
02:51:37,020 --> 02:51:35,350
to very unverifiable things but then

3903
02:51:39,450 --> 02:51:37,030
again you can also use remote viewing to

3904
02:51:42,930 --> 02:51:39,460
say talk about the motives of something

3905
02:51:46,740 --> 02:51:42,940
you know to you know figure out details

3906
02:51:48,780 --> 02:51:46,750
of sort of like what for instance a UFO

3907
02:51:50,400 --> 02:51:48,790
craft is actually doing here and and

3908
02:51:52,500 --> 02:51:50,410
there's already a whole bunch of

3909
02:51:55,200 --> 02:51:52,510
information out there both sort of good

3910
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:55,210
and bad I think and and you have to sort

3911
02:51:57,930 --> 02:51:56,410
of be able to filter out the noise and

3912
02:52:00,120 --> 02:51:57,940
that's very difficult I'm not saying

3913
02:52:02,310 --> 02:52:00,130
that it's an easy it's not an easy task

3914
02:52:03,450 --> 02:52:02,320
but but I do think that that you can

3915
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:03,460
come up with some really interesting

3916
02:52:08,610 --> 02:52:06,090
data and I'm not trying to be a

3917
02:52:10,320 --> 02:52:08,620
scientist that that is going to publish

3918
02:52:12,660 --> 02:52:10,330
a paper I'm basically just sort of

3919
02:52:15,210 --> 02:52:12,670
interested in a lot of sort of these

3920
02:52:16,890 --> 02:52:15,220
mysteries and knowing when you have

3921
02:52:19,469 --> 02:52:16,900
credible people that are doing credible

3922
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:19,479
things in other areas well it would make

3923
02:52:22,350 --> 02:52:21,040
a lot more sense then that they would

3924
02:52:26,730 --> 02:52:22,360
also be credible when it comes to

3925
02:52:30,120 --> 02:52:26,740
something like ETS and you mentioned you

3926
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:30,130
know that like with SETI or radar dishes

3927
02:52:36,730 --> 02:52:33,610
you know it's it's almost I forget the

3928
02:52:38,830 --> 02:52:36,740
words that you use but yeah it's

3929
02:52:41,711 --> 02:52:38,840
they almost so matter with with

3930
02:52:43,990 --> 02:52:41,721
remote-viewing with what we know now

3931
02:52:47,560 --> 02:52:44,000
about exoplanets and where these fast

3932
02:52:51,761 --> 02:52:47,570
radio bursts are starting to show up and

3933
02:52:54,220 --> 02:52:51,771
their locations why not or do you think

3934
02:52:56,620 --> 02:52:54,230
that there are some agencies now that

3935
02:52:58,750 --> 02:52:56,630
are that are remote viewing the

3936
02:53:00,520 --> 02:52:58,760
possibilities of life on on different

3937
02:53:03,730 --> 02:53:00,530
planets you know outside of our solar

3938
02:53:05,020 --> 02:53:03,740
system you know I saw a video on YouTube

3939
02:53:06,970 --> 02:53:05,030
once and I don't know if how legitimate

3940
02:53:08,020 --> 02:53:06,980
it is but but it was it was only there

3941
02:53:09,970 --> 02:53:08,030
for a short time and it was actually

3942
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:09,980
taken down might still be there

3943
02:53:13,480 --> 02:53:11,690
somewhere but it was someone else

3944
02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:13,490
talking about a different program at SR

3945
02:53:17,921 --> 02:53:16,160
I which was specifically about reaching

3946
02:53:20,650 --> 02:53:17,931
out to extraterrestrial intelligence

3947
02:53:23,261 --> 02:53:20,660
using remote viewing and and to me that

3948
02:53:24,551 --> 02:53:23,271
made a lot of sense because again we

3949
02:53:25,750 --> 02:53:24,561
have to kind of extrapolate out but

3950
02:53:27,370 --> 02:53:25,760
let's say that the government is taking

3951
02:53:28,750 --> 02:53:27,380
remote viewing very seriously right

3952
02:53:30,700 --> 02:53:28,760
they're just not we just they're not

3953
02:53:32,080 --> 02:53:30,710
admitting to it and let's say also that

3954
02:53:34,660 --> 02:53:32,090
they're taking the UFO subject very

3955
02:53:36,190 --> 02:53:34,670
seriously okay so and we and we know

3956
02:53:40,091 --> 02:53:36,200
that to be the case I mean come on and

3957
02:53:41,950 --> 02:53:40,101
and so if both things are true then why

3958
02:53:43,870 --> 02:53:41,960
not employ one to look at the other

3959
02:53:45,961 --> 02:53:43,880
because you can't understand the other

3960
02:53:48,881 --> 02:53:45,971
it's beyond our sort of capabilities

3961
02:53:51,551 --> 02:53:48,891
technologically so I think it makes

3962
02:53:53,290 --> 02:53:51,561
sense that the government might be using

3963
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:53,300
remote viewers to sort of look out into

3964
02:53:57,520 --> 02:53:55,760
space and you know from a more esoteric

3965
02:53:59,261 --> 02:53:57,530
one of you I mean I can go to a channel

3966
02:54:01,511 --> 02:53:59,271
or I can go you know read all kinds of

3967
02:54:04,030 --> 02:54:01,521
esoteric tasks texts going back hundreds

3968
02:54:05,980 --> 02:54:04,040
and thousands of years that talk about

3969
02:54:09,910 --> 02:54:05,990
connecting to you know the spirit world

3970
02:54:11,620 --> 02:54:09,920
to other societies and things that don't

3971
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:11,630
exist within the realm of reality of the

3972
02:54:16,330 --> 02:54:14,240
person looking that's that's part of

3973
02:54:18,310 --> 02:54:16,340
this whole sort of world that we're sort

3974
02:54:20,410 --> 02:54:18,320
of talking about here but it can't be

3975
02:54:22,390 --> 02:54:20,420
proven and and it's always existed

3976
02:54:24,490 --> 02:54:22,400
within the realm of the Mystics and sort

3977
02:54:25,930 --> 02:54:24,500
of the wild-haired you know shaman

3978
02:54:29,470 --> 02:54:25,940
living out in the jungle doing this kind

3979
02:54:31,660 --> 02:54:29,480
of stuff but now you do have stuff like

3980
02:54:35,290 --> 02:54:31,670
my documentaries stuff that sort of

3981
02:54:36,730 --> 02:54:35,300
talks about how successful you know the

3982
02:54:38,381 --> 02:54:36,740
tools of psychic ability have been used

3983
02:54:41,801 --> 02:54:38,391
for so then you just have to think about

3984
02:54:43,810 --> 02:54:41,811
well what else can we use this for well

3985
02:54:46,690 --> 02:54:43,820
as a director and we've only got two

3986
02:54:48,710 --> 02:54:46,700
minutes left Lance as the director would

3987
02:54:52,210 --> 02:54:48,720
you be interested in

3988
02:54:55,130 --> 02:54:52,220
and creating your own targets and

3989
02:54:57,859 --> 02:54:55,140
documenting the process hit or miss oh

3990
02:54:59,239 --> 02:54:57,869
absolutely yeah absolutely I mean and

3991
02:55:00,800 --> 02:54:59,249
that's that's something that we are

3992
02:55:02,090 --> 02:55:00,810
working on now is is you know I'm

3993
02:55:03,979 --> 02:55:02,100
talking to some of the best remote

3994
02:55:07,479 --> 02:55:03,989
viewers about this kind of stuff and not

3995
02:55:09,590 --> 02:55:07,489
just with UFOs but I think that it's a

3996
02:55:11,059 --> 02:55:09,600
to me it's just personally interesting

3997
02:55:13,309 --> 02:55:11,069
well I mean I've have enough of my own

3998
02:55:15,139 --> 02:55:13,319
experience that to know that the world

3999
02:55:17,389 --> 02:55:15,149
is there's a lot of things we don't

4000
02:55:20,090 --> 02:55:17,399
understand and if we can use something

4001
02:55:23,029 --> 02:55:20,100
like remote viewing to better understand

4002
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:23,039
our world and maybe why something like

4003
02:55:26,599 --> 02:55:24,810
the UFO experience might be happening

4004
02:55:31,250 --> 02:55:26,609
then I think that that's a great use of

4005
02:55:34,189 --> 02:55:31,260
this tool how is the acceptance and the

4006
02:55:35,050 --> 02:55:34,199
reviews about third eye spies how's that

4007
02:55:37,939 --> 02:55:35,060
been going

4008
02:55:40,099 --> 02:55:37,949
overall really good but you also get

4009
02:55:42,170 --> 02:55:40,109
people who do not want to look at this

4010
02:55:44,120 --> 02:55:42,180
information and we'll just discard it

4011
02:55:46,819 --> 02:55:44,130
out of hand whether they watch the film

4012
02:55:48,859 --> 02:55:46,829
or not you know but overall I mean I

4013
02:55:50,630 --> 02:55:48,869
think really good I mean you know the

4014
02:55:53,809 --> 02:55:50,640
movie has been in the top 10 on iTunes

4015
02:55:54,739 --> 02:55:53,819
now for over three weeks and and a lot

4016
02:55:57,319 --> 02:55:54,749
of that time we've been in the top five

4017
02:55:58,760 --> 02:55:57,329
and that doesn't mean that a whole lot

4018
02:56:00,620 --> 02:55:58,770
of people have seen this yet I think

4019
02:56:02,689 --> 02:56:00,630
that you know I really want more people

4020
02:56:03,830 --> 02:56:02,699
to see this through your your show

4021
02:56:05,660 --> 02:56:03,840
through through some of the other things

4022
02:56:08,899 --> 02:56:05,670
we're doing to get the word out because

4023
02:56:11,479 --> 02:56:08,909
I do feel like the exposure to this

4024
02:56:12,859 --> 02:56:11,489
subject actually opens it up not just in

4025
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:12,869
the scientific community but it actually

4026
02:56:18,109 --> 02:56:16,170
makes even psychic abilities more

4027
02:56:20,330 --> 02:56:18,119
apparent and more accessible to

4028
02:56:22,729 --> 02:56:20,340
everybody because again it's like the

4029
02:56:24,830 --> 02:56:22,739
more you sort of focus on something the

4030
02:56:27,469 --> 02:56:24,840
kind of easier it is for people to not

4031
02:56:29,929 --> 02:56:27,479
only understand it but improve their own

4032
02:56:33,319 --> 02:56:29,939
lives with it that's a worthy goal yeah

4033
02:56:36,859 --> 02:56:33,329
absolutely and what what's it like to

4034
02:56:39,609 --> 02:56:36,869
have a company like the orchard that

4035
02:56:44,330 --> 02:56:39,619
that is big and has the power to

4036
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:44,340
distribute a film like this but to have

4037
02:56:50,389 --> 02:56:46,800
a genuine interest in this does that

4038
02:56:52,489 --> 02:56:50,399
make it easier for you um completely you

4039
02:56:53,689 --> 02:56:52,499
know I have spent so much of my film

4040
02:56:55,279 --> 02:56:53,699
career and I've been around actually a

4041
02:56:56,660 --> 02:56:55,289
long time and I haven't made a film you

4042
02:57:00,280 --> 02:56:56,670
know a lot time this one took me years

4043
02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:00,290
right and and you know

4044
02:57:05,051 --> 02:57:02,730
being in the film industry is such a

4045
02:57:08,570 --> 02:57:05,061
crap game because you're you're just

4046
02:57:10,671 --> 02:57:08,580
constantly you know having to work to

4047
02:57:11,720 --> 02:57:10,681
what other people want to see within the

4048
02:57:12,740 --> 02:57:11,730
film industry in a lot of times they

4049
02:57:15,171 --> 02:57:12,750
don't even know what they want to see

4050
02:57:17,540 --> 02:57:15,181
and to have a company that I think

4051
02:57:20,841 --> 02:57:17,550
really believes in our film and believes

4052
02:57:22,100 --> 02:57:20,851
in me as a filmmaker has been probably

4053
02:57:24,290 --> 02:57:22,110
the best experience I've ever had

4054
02:57:26,870 --> 02:57:24,300
frankly as a creative artist in my life

4055
02:57:28,490 --> 02:57:26,880
because for instance you know shortly

4056
02:57:30,171 --> 02:57:28,500
before the film's going to be released I

4057
02:57:32,570 --> 02:57:30,181
realized there were a few other things

4058
02:57:34,551 --> 02:57:32,580
that I hadn't done that needed to be put

4059
02:57:37,190 --> 02:57:34,561
into the film and I literally spent like

4060
02:57:39,440 --> 02:57:37,200
eight days day and night you know

4061
02:57:40,820 --> 02:57:39,450
finishing the Edit and and polishing

4062
02:57:43,160 --> 02:57:40,830
some things and making some things make

4063
02:57:44,211 --> 02:57:43,170
more sense and they didn't even bat an

4064
02:57:45,530 --> 02:57:44,221
eye they just said you know what we

4065
02:57:47,150 --> 02:57:45,540
believe you and we believe in you as a

4066
02:57:48,381 --> 02:57:47,160
filmmaker we believe in your film you

4067
02:57:51,140 --> 02:57:48,391
know you do what you got to do you know

4068
02:57:53,570 --> 02:57:51,150
and and we'll put it out and so that is

4069
02:57:55,671 --> 02:57:53,580
a very very cool refreshing you know

4070
02:57:57,680 --> 02:57:55,681
relationship that I have you know and

4071
02:57:59,450 --> 02:57:57,690
I'm really grateful for that because I

4072
02:58:01,490 --> 02:57:59,460
think it's gonna allow me to make more

4073
02:58:02,990 --> 02:58:01,500
films and continue to talk about stuff

4074
02:58:05,211 --> 02:58:03,000
that I want to talk about not worry so

4075
02:58:07,671 --> 02:58:05,221
much about what other people want thank

4076
02:58:10,040 --> 02:58:07,681
you so much Lance great conversation and

4077
02:58:13,070 --> 02:58:10,050
thank you for the overtime the film is

4078
02:58:15,680 --> 02:58:13,080
third-eye spies third-eye spies dot-com

4079
02:58:18,261 --> 02:58:15,690
the links are over a to maturity um you

4080
02:58:20,330 --> 02:58:18,271
can just click but it is available for

4081
02:58:23,690 --> 02:58:20,340
streaming right now on Amazon and of

4082
02:58:25,700 --> 02:58:23,700
course iTunes Lance thank you so much my

4083
02:58:27,700 --> 02:58:25,710
friend great conversation tonight Jimmy

4084
02:58:30,440 --> 02:58:27,710
always amazing talking to you dude

4085
02:58:31,700 --> 02:58:30,450
seriously I really appreciate you

4086
02:58:33,261 --> 02:58:31,710
helping us get the word out about this I

4087
02:58:35,301 --> 02:58:33,271
appreciate your audience for for

4088
02:58:38,120 --> 02:58:35,311
listening and for hopefully checking out

4089
02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:38,130
our film and and let's do it again soon

4090
02:58:44,780 --> 02:58:41,610
thank you and the next remote session in

4091
02:58:45,921 --> 02:58:44,790
Monrovia do yes I'll talk to you Lance

4092
02:58:49,070 --> 02:58:45,931
have a great night

4093
02:58:53,030 --> 02:58:49,080
you too met Lance moon G again third eye

4094
02:58:56,501 --> 02:58:53,040
spies comm third eye spies comm it is an

4095
02:58:59,291 --> 02:58:56,511
extraordinary documentary and that

4096
02:59:02,921 --> 02:58:59,301
it's so highly recommended tomorrow

4097
02:59:07,091 --> 02:59:02,931
night right here Risberg and Riza's new

4098
02:59:10,240 --> 02:59:07,101
book my favorite subject the simulation

4099
02:59:11,940 --> 02:59:10,250
hypothesis are we living in the matrix

4100
02:59:15,251 --> 02:59:11,950
that's tomorrow night with rizz bird

4101
02:59:17,350 --> 02:59:15,261
rizz Burk and don't forget betablox

4102
02:59:19,841 --> 02:59:17,360
executive producers brie de camión show

4103
02:59:21,671 --> 02:59:19,851
is produced by hilton jaipur na Dennis

4104
02:59:24,551 --> 02:59:21,681
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4105
02:59:27,131 --> 02:59:24,561
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4106
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4108
02:59:36,011 --> 02:59:32,480
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4109
02:59:38,831 --> 02:59:36,021
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4110
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:38,841
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4111
02:59:41,921 --> 02:59:40,250
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4112
02:59:44,081 --> 02:59:41,931
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4113
02:59:45,730 --> 02:59:44,091
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4114
02:59:47,261 --> 02:59:45,740
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4115
02:59:48,850 --> 02:59:47,271
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4116
02:59:50,980 --> 02:59:48,860
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4117
02:59:53,801 --> 02:59:50,990
Church until tomorrow night with R is

4118
02:59:55,341 --> 02:59:53,811
Burke right here I want everybody to be

4119
02:59:57,470 --> 02:59:55,351
saved

4120
03:00:11,750 --> 02:59:57,480
go back late Appy